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Is the Linux Desktop "On Par" With Mac and Windows? No Way!
Linux.com ^ | 14 August 2011 | Carla Schroder

Posted on 08/17/2011 5:00:18 AM PDT by ShadowAce

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To: driftdiver
The average user doesn’t want to and probably couldn’t properly edit a printer file.

I would add 'shouldnt have to' to your list.

21 posted on 08/17/2011 6:01:46 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes

I agree they shouldn’t have to.


22 posted on 08/17/2011 6:03:31 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Poser
You should see the hoops I had to jump through to get Linux to talk to my Iogear wireless printer queue.

Interesting. My experience is different. With my network-enabled printer, my linux box just sees it, installed the correct drivers, and can use it with no issues.

(And I hate the new Ubuntu desktop)

You and me both.

23 posted on 08/17/2011 6:04:01 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Poser

See, now there’s the problem.

It takes 3 seconds for you to say “update your video driver... yada yada yada”

Then the person listening decides he’d spend a half an hour or so and it should be EASY to upgrade the driver.

And then after he’s four days into the project and still doesn’t have it done, he’s pretty frosted. And I do not blame him at all. Linux is INCREDIBLY difficult to tweak.

I installed Knoppix on one of my laptops to boot from the hard drive. It would not recognize my wireless. I found all I had to do was make a simple change to one of the init parms,

But it WOULD NOT let me edit it! I had to create a copy, edit the copy, then try to copy it back.
But you can’t say COPY X Y, you have to use MOVE...

Now, I’m not a rookie either. I was my first computer about 1973 and have been working with them ever since. I’ve written a LOT of assembler code, and worked with Univacs, IBM’s, others.
I am a z/OS systems engineer now.

In all my years, the only thing I’ve seen as cryptic as Linux is some of the C derivatives.


24 posted on 08/17/2011 6:05:05 AM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: djf

With the latest Ubuntu, I was able to update my video driver from the desktop (once I figured out how to find the relocated system functions).

I hate the new desktop, but it did its job in this case.


25 posted on 08/17/2011 6:37:24 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: ShadowAce
Real interop, not the fake kind the Brand Xs peddle.

What is the fake interop of Brand X? And what are the trade offs?

26 posted on 08/17/2011 6:50:39 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: ShadowAce

Well if it works for you great if not leave it alone is what I tell people. The backbone of the net what does it run on ReadHat centos an Oracle mainly and when they shoot them rockets in the air to travel to Mars Pluto Saturn do you think they trust Windows or Mac LMAO>> Mac now I know about Mac OS it is nothing but BSD with a modified kernel all reference to BSD and the BSD license is stripped out, dont belive it open the code in a hex editor and take and good gander at it!!


27 posted on 08/17/2011 6:55:54 AM PDT by Lees Swrd ("Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe and preserve order in the world as well")
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To: Mr. K
I believe that Linux geeks are almost as bad as liberals. They talk about freedom and ‘free software for everyone’ while they steal from their employers and work on their pet linux project while being paid on company time.

I have seen that as well. Linux is a great OS, and I admire Linus Torvalds for starting the Linux project. But a lot of Linux geeks are extremely selfish and self-centered. They live in a very small world.

28 posted on 08/17/2011 6:58:29 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: ShadowAce
I dual-boot Ubuntu with Windows 7 Pro on my laptop.

When I have work to do, I use Windows, because that's what work uses.

When I am surfing the web or doing personal things, I use Ubuntu.

Keeps everything separate and if I pick up some security risk while surfing the web, it doesn't affect my Windows installation.

29 posted on 08/17/2011 7:01:14 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Regulation is government control of capital, and government control of capital is socialism.)
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To: stripes1776

It’s comical in a way.

Like people who are hard-core into Dungeons and Dragons.
Teenage boys who have dreams of Elvira, Mistress of the Dark!

Remember, Linux is positively “BURSTING WITH FUNCTIONALITY”!!

It’s a very cloistered world.

They have yet to realize the capital that is peoples past experiences with various computers. Many times, I’ve seen on Linux boards someone would pose a question “Ho do I do Z??”
The Linux brain trust comes back and says “Why do you want to do that? You’d be much better off doing R”

The person asking the original question is bound to think “Well, I was just getting used to the idea that I might be able to get Z to work, and now they tell me I gotta use R? WTF?”

Linux probably does have the highest level of what someone might call the snobbery quotient to it. And that works very much against mass acceptance.
Nobody wants to be made to feel stupid just for asking a question.


30 posted on 08/17/2011 7:10:25 AM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: ShadowAce; Tainan; Mr. K; djf; stripes1776

31 posted on 08/17/2011 7:50:43 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

Lol!!!

Hey, hang in there. Another four months of study and the Council might teach you the secret handshake!


32 posted on 08/17/2011 7:55:35 AM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: ShadowAce; Poser
(And I hate the new Ubuntu desktop)

I haven't heard anything but complaints about it.

33 posted on 08/17/2011 7:55:53 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: driftdiver

No that isn’t a true statement. The best doesn’t always win. Microsoft Windows was not better than OS/2 from IBM. Far from it. M$ had better marketing (amongst other things).


34 posted on 08/17/2011 8:15:15 AM PDT by sigzero
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To: martin_fierro
Linus doesn't like it either.
35 posted on 08/17/2011 8:16:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: martin_fierro
Rosemary was wrong, the coven deceived her.
They told her they had given her Tannis root.

But it was Linux Root!!!
(Cue the scary music)


Sorry. Couldn't help myself...
36 posted on 08/17/2011 8:17:43 AM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: Poser
I still find myself back at a terminal screen, manually editing Samba and Cups printer files. Linux desktop is not fully functional yet. I like Linux, but the average user is not ready to do this sort of work just to share a printer.

I hate dealing with printers. The last few versions I haven't had to do much of anything to get them running. Webmin is your friend when dealing with a lot of the stuff that would otherwise have you hand-editing config files.  It even makes sendmail easy.

37 posted on 08/17/2011 8:19:02 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: ShadowAce

Linux vs Windows is apples and oranges.

Windows has all the hardware support from the manufacturers and massive monopoly position that it can use to keep out opposition,whereas Linux is for more freedom-orientated individuals who want to customize their stuff.

The average windows and the average Linux user will both be pretty hopeless,but the experienced Linux user is a different species of computer animal than the experienced Windows user.


38 posted on 08/17/2011 8:21:00 AM PDT by MikeyPorter76
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To: ShadowAce
I don't think she's insulting the iPad, but certain types of users.

They're called 'Lusers'.

39 posted on 08/17/2011 8:22:49 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Deploy. Dominate. Disappear.)
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To: sigzero

“Microsoft Windows was not better than OS/2 from IBM”

Microsoft is far far better than IBM. IBM never imagined there would be a PC on everyones desk.

Microsoft made a product which was easy to use and they made it easy to buy. Linux has developed over the years, but is difficult to use for the average person. We keep hearing about new desktop versions but they aren’t ready and probably never will be. There is not adequate financial incentive for companies to develop that product.


40 posted on 08/17/2011 8:31:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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