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Football Pitch-Sized Batteries Could Change the World of Renewable Energy
Oilprice ^ | 08/01/2012 | James Burgess

Posted on 01/09/2012 11:30:36 AM PST by bananaman22

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1 posted on 01/09/2012 11:30:49 AM PST by bananaman22
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To: thackney; steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 01/09/2012 11:33:35 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: bananaman22

That’s all well and good but how much damage will be done to them by cleats; and are they as easy to repair/replace as sod?


3 posted on 01/09/2012 11:37:47 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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Grid - Gridiron

Same thing, right?


4 posted on 01/09/2012 11:42:04 AM PST by bigbob
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To: bananaman22

This has the sound of a business plan that only makes sense from the standpoint of a state-run neo-fascist economy fed by endless amounts of cheap labor. Like China. Otherwise, giant batteries make no more sense than giant capacitors or giant windmills.


5 posted on 01/09/2012 11:42:04 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: bananaman22

This is interesting. It would be fun to amortize to 20 year total cost of ownership of a coal burning plant, a nuclear plant and a wind farm with these batteries. Let’s also factor in reliability and cost of power produced.

I suspect the wind farm (or solar farm) will still lose.


6 posted on 01/09/2012 11:44:18 AM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: bananaman22

There is a large wind farm on I-65 north of Indianapolis. Usually when we drive through virtually all the blades are turning. We were driving down from Chicago on the 1st of January on a particularly windy day and maybe one in ten was operating. I assumed they had batteries to store the excess power until I saw that.

It never dawned on me that batteries may be prohibitively expensive. Too bad they can’t sell excess power like Washington state does to California.


7 posted on 01/09/2012 11:45:24 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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A big problem with large scale storage is losses. How much in loss do you get say from taking Wind, putting it through storage and then back onto the grid? What is the percentage of loss?

I knew a storage facility in the 1970 call Crater Lake. Excess power was used to put water up to a mountain lake, then when needed though Hyrdo generators. Don't know how efficient that was. But how efficient would lake storage be in comparison to batteries? And how long would the storage last in comparison?

These are the engineering questions needed lest we have another Solyndra.

8 posted on 01/09/2012 11:46:03 AM PST by sr4402
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9 posted on 01/09/2012 11:46:21 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: bananaman22

Let see pro football stadiums are used 16 weekends (plus a few playoff cames). For the other 330 days a year should we flood them and turn them into giant batteries. Great idea....


10 posted on 01/09/2012 11:47:22 AM PST by Quick Shot
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Footballl Pitch-Size battery?

Is the author taking about a kick-ball field size battery?

11 posted on 01/09/2012 11:48:22 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: bananaman22

Liquid Thorium reactors..... We need them.


12 posted on 01/09/2012 11:49:29 AM PST by GraceG
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“Trust Me” — green energy industry


13 posted on 01/09/2012 11:50:52 AM PST by pabianice (")
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To: bananaman22

So wind power is even more expensive?


14 posted on 01/09/2012 11:57:57 AM PST by taxcontrol
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The whole idea is DOA. Battery economics will never be able to overcome the drawbacks of battery physics. That is to say, the energy produced by ‘renewable’ resources will NEVER be able to overcome the cost of building, maintaining, and eventually disposing of and replacing the battery. ALL batteries are consumable, and you have to factor that cost into the entire picture.


15 posted on 01/09/2012 11:59:03 AM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Batteries do wind up failing over time. Internal resistance builds up due to heat. They don’t last forever.


16 posted on 01/09/2012 12:00:33 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: bananaman22

Great!
A giant football pitch sized battery that can go into a violent discharge state.
Wonder what that looks like?


17 posted on 01/09/2012 12:04:12 PM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: bananaman22
The most abundant energy storage system in use around the world is the battery,

Actually the most efficient would be to have the wind turbines run a pump. Pump water up into a lake on top of a hill. Then use a hydroelectric plant to turn the stored energy into power at a steady rate. Batteries have a very low energy return rate for a given amount of energy put in. And they need to be replaced often. A storage lake, especially if it is also fed by a stream, could hold vast amounts of water for when you need power.
18 posted on 01/09/2012 12:05:44 PM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sr4402

Pumped Hydro storage is the most efficient and economic energy storage system over a long period of time with daily cycles. The efficiency of this system is typically between 70% and 85%.

http://www.electricitystorage.org/technology/storage_technologies/technology_comparison


19 posted on 01/09/2012 12:06:52 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: pabianice

Over 100 Criminal Probes Related to Stimulus Funding in the Department of Energy Alone
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/energy-department-ig-has-launched-over-100-crinimal-probes-related-stimulus-funding_607675.html

Obama Energy Department Is Going Back and Changing Solar Energy Loan Press Releases

The Obama Administration spent nearly half of the $38.6 billion ($17.2 billion) set aside for his green energy programs and was only able to create 3,545 permanent green jobs. This comes out to a staggering $4,853,000 per job.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/obama-energy-department-is-going-back-and-changing-solar-energy-loan-press-releases/

a battery will retail for $1000 a piece with a $995 tax credit available from Uncle Sugar.


20 posted on 01/09/2012 12:07:47 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (Congress: Looting the future to bribe the present.)
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