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Gun Vanity: In the market for a .308 (Ruger American Rifle?)
Ruger ^ | Feb 22, 2012 | DTogo

Posted on 02/22/2012 6:49:19 PM PST by DTogo

In the market for a quality yet reasonably priced rifle to scope and use for target and hunting (mostly white tail) beyond 100m: considering the new Ruger American Rifle in .308. Yes, the ballistic performance is less than a .30-06, it's not a Springfield M1A or a Gunsite Scout, but .308 ammo is cheaper and compatible with other hardware in the event of an "in-the-field" switch.

FReeper input welcome!


TOPICS: Hobbies; Military/Veterans; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: 308; banglist; ruger
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Last time around with a gun vanity, did not acquire the Saiga .223.
1 posted on 02/22/2012 6:49:27 PM PST by DTogo
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Thoughts?


2 posted on 02/22/2012 6:51:19 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

GunBlast did a review of said rifle, but chambered in ‘06. It will still have a lot of info.

http://www.gunblast.com/Ruger-American.htm


3 posted on 02/22/2012 6:56:37 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: DTogo

It is not as ugly as I thought it would be. Good price too.
Still, my Yugo M48 in 8mm that I got for $200 shoots just as good as my Mossburg in 30-06.


4 posted on 02/22/2012 6:59:48 PM PST by DirtyPigpen
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To: DTogo

Here’s my advice and remember its worth exactly what you paid for it.

Check out the Ruger, the Remington 700, and the Winchester Model 70. Pick the one that “feels” best to you. You can’t go wrong with any of them, really.


5 posted on 02/22/2012 7:00:59 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: DTogo

8mm ammo is a lot cheaper than 30-06. I have a Portuguese Mauser Verguiero and like it a lot. Nasty kick, though


6 posted on 02/22/2012 7:02:24 PM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: DTogo

Here’s my fav.

Watch the videos and absorb how every American gun should be made!

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon.php


7 posted on 02/22/2012 7:02:44 PM PST by Randy Larsen (No Romney vote from my family!)
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To: DTogo

I’m sure any Ruger bolt action is going to be an excellent gun. Ditto for any Remington, Winchester or Savage. All make fine bolt action gunes. It really comes down to what feels comfortable for you. If you can’t shoot them one thing to do is test how redily it comes into postition. Look at a “target” and fix the location in your mind. Close your eyes, and pull the rifle (or pistol) to where you think you are aiming at it, they open your eyes. The closer you are, more natural it will be to shoulder and fire.

With a bolt action I alos think it’s important to work the bolt while the rifle is sholdered. Try it with you eyes open, then try it with them closed to see how much our point of aim changes.


8 posted on 02/22/2012 7:03:14 PM PST by Hugin ("Most time a man'll tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear"--Open Range)
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To: DTogo

AFAIK .308 (7.62mm NATO) is every bit as effective as .30-06.


9 posted on 02/22/2012 7:04:56 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: DTogo

I went with the Remington 700 .308.


10 posted on 02/22/2012 7:05:09 PM PST by Washi (Surviving the Zombie Apocalypse, one head-shot at a time.)
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To: DTogo

I had a chance to use my FIL’s Kimber Montana this past season and it is an absolutely beautiful gun. Very, very, very light but it doesn’t feel in the least bit fragile. It was also dead on accurate and the recoil was so clean, you could get back on the target quickly.


11 posted on 02/22/2012 7:06:36 PM PST by mnehring
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To: DTogo

Remington 770 in .308.

I tossed the stock scope, which is probably a fine scope, for Leupold MK IV.

My friends laugh when they see my setup. “You have more scope than you have gun”.

To which I reply “When I reach out and touch someone, I’d like it to be from as far away as possible”.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 7:09:15 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Randy Larsen

I need some of their rifles.


13 posted on 02/22/2012 7:10:45 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: therightliveswithus

Funny you mention that...I’ve also noticed that 8mm (out of my 1941 K98k) has a more distinct kick than does .30-06. A lot of 8mm surplus has heavier bullets than comparable ‘06 (about 192 grains versus 150 grains) so I wonder if that’s the difference.


14 posted on 02/22/2012 7:12:33 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Vendome

I had a browning bar 30-06 (hunting version) before the fishing accident. It has iron sights but I had to remove the rear one for the Leupold scope. I’m in the market for a bolt action and am trying to decide between 30-06 and .308.

hmmmmmm


15 posted on 02/22/2012 7:13:04 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DTogo

I’m not familiar with the Ruger American Rifle. The last Ruger I bought was an M77 Hawkeye stainless in 300 WM, and it is an excellent rifle. The 308 doesn’t give up much to the .06, if anything, and I like the short actions.


16 posted on 02/22/2012 7:16:06 PM PST by pallis
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To: M1903A1
AFAIK .308 (7.62mm NATO) is every bit as effective as .30-06.

Yup, out to about 400 yards. The 30-06 caries a bit further past that. Either will take down any N. American big game easily with good shot placement.

17 posted on 02/22/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by rmccullo
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To: DTogo
I have heard very good things about the Tikka T3. The "Lite 308" model it is supposedly guaranteed sub-MOA at $560. The Hunter version is +$100. There is a “varmint” (heavy barrel) version in .308 I have seen for $900 that is supposed to be unreal in accuracy and range.

I have never shot the Tikka, but reviews are outstanding and I have heard great things by word of mouth. I am considering one for a bolt action in .308.

I am partial to my M1a Scout Squad, but that was a good bit more than $560. AR platforms in .308 have come down quite a bit also, for what it's worth (I am not a huge fan of ARs).

18 posted on 02/22/2012 7:17:26 PM PST by madconservative (I'd rather be shooting my Glock 10mm.)
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To: DTogo
Consider a Remington 770. It comes in a variety of calibers including .308, 30-06, .223, 8mm etc. a quality rifle at a fair price. I have three in caliber .223, 30-06 and .270. I am happy with them. Click on the link to see it and specs Remington 770
19 posted on 02/22/2012 7:18:34 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: DTogo

The AR-10 is a whole lot more fun :)


20 posted on 02/22/2012 7:22:46 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: DirtyPigpen

I’ve already got “dog collars” for that function, comrade! ;^)


21 posted on 02/22/2012 7:24:11 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: umgud

Excellent review, thanks!


22 posted on 02/22/2012 7:25:08 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Washi

If it’s good eniugh for US Army and Marine snipers, it’s goid enough. I have twi: one in 30/06 and one in .300 win. mag. Got a AR-10t for 7.62 nato.


23 posted on 02/22/2012 7:31:33 PM PST by RC one (the majority of republicans agree, anyone but Romney.)
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To: cpdiii

Remington 770... not bad, thanks!


24 posted on 02/22/2012 7:33:39 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo
CDNN typically has bargains on overstock hunting rifles in older and popular calibers including 308, 30-06 and others. That and gunbroker dot com are the first two places I'd look.
25 posted on 02/22/2012 7:34:06 PM PST by varmintman
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To: DTogo

Brit 303, ammo cost don ‘t matter once you sight it in, proven hit each and every time! No loft, just straight like an arrow.Reloading is your friend.


26 posted on 02/22/2012 7:34:54 PM PST by goodtomato (I'm really, really blessed! WWW.MIKEMcCALISTERFORSENATE.COM check him out!)
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To: DTogo
It depends on geography and terrain. Is 200 yds. all you have for range before you shoot up the neighbor's barn, or make collateral damage of their livestock? If you want to reach out and touch dinner, you have to sight the area, aka: “get the lay of the land” before you choose a rifle or shotgun for hunting. Pick a rifle or shotgun that suits the terrain.
27 posted on 02/22/2012 7:35:05 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: DTogo
"Yes, the ballistic performance is less than a .30-06..."

The .30-06 was developed at a time when a requirement for the standard infantry rifle was the ability to drop a cavalry mount. This was essentially the round used from WWI up to, and through Korea. By the mid-50's when the Army was looking to replace the Garand, advances in powder technology allowed for similar performance in a smaller case, with horse-killing ability no longer so much of a consideration. The 7.62 / .308 was designed to replicate the performance of the .30-06 with older powders. Certainly, with more modern powders, the .30-06 has a performance edge based solely on its larger case volume, but in actuality, the .308 gives up very little. What you gain with the .308, especially in a bolt action rifle, is a shorter bolt throw and a shorter overall action, which reduces the weight you'll be lugging around on those hunting trips.

Unless you're completely sold on a bolt, I'd recommend you at least take a look at the Browning BLR (lever gun). Of the others mentioned, the Marlin rifles will probably give you the best value for the money. As others have said here, try a few of them on for size and see what "feels" best.

Also, keep in mind that with a .308, you'll want to hang some decent optics on the rifle to fully take advantage of the cartridge, so take that into consideration when you're evaluating the balance, eye relief, stock comb etc.

Good luck and let us all know what you pick!

28 posted on 02/22/2012 7:36:42 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: cpdiii
CORRECTION: It is not available in 8mm. I meant to say 7mm-08 Remington and 7mm Remington Mag. It is also barreled in the .243 Winchester. The .223 is available in the 700 series but not in the 770.

Note: Due to advances in computer driven milling machines, Remington and all the other major manufactures of rifles can now turn out a very high quality barrel at a cost that is far less than 40 years ago when adjusted for inflation. It is good stuff!

29 posted on 02/22/2012 7:37:46 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: driftdiver; RC one
I’m in the market for a bolt action and am trying to decide between 30-06 and .308.

Same here but the .308 ammo is cheaper in bulk and will still do the job at a distance. And yep, if it's good enough for our snipers, excluding the multi-km experts, .308 is good enough for me.

30 posted on 02/22/2012 7:39:02 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo; ottbmare
"I’ve already got “dog collars” for that function, comrade! ;^)"

Okay, time for the funniest reply I've ever read on a gun thread...

Dude, no, you misunderstand. After the first half-dozen posts, you are out of the discussion and your needs are no longer being discussed. It becomes all about the other posters and what they like and what their experiences have been. Soon it will deteriorate into a pissing contest about who has done the most hunting and has the biggest hardest gun. Then there will be insults, then some posters will sanctimoniously offer to pray for each other, then there will be accusations that the other guys are not real conservatives, probably liberal trolls, because they don’t like the same thing. Some lady or limp-wristed man will post that they don’t see why it’s necessary to kill the pretty animals because they have feelings too, and there will be a 100-post tangent on that. It’s great fun if it goes the right way. ~~ Freeper ottbmare 12-17-11~~

31 posted on 02/22/2012 7:39:27 PM PST by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: DTogo

CDNN seems to have Ruger and FN bolt action rifles in 308.


32 posted on 02/22/2012 7:42:08 PM PST by varmintman
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To: driftdiver

I went with 30-06 in my last setup as I have plenty of 308’s.

Springfield 770. Bolt action sucks and that version was suppose to improve over the 700. I’m sending it to a world class gunsmith who will not only make it smooth and purdier.

Others feel their 770 is just fine.

I don’t mind spending a little extra money to improve it. I just got lucky on all my other guns out of the box.

Might even install a cheek weld.

Shoot’s .5” @ 100yrds and I ain’t that great. Probably does better if I could get the range more than 6 or 7 times a year but, that would make me a professional. LOL


33 posted on 02/22/2012 7:45:05 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DTogo

Go for it.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 7:46:22 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: DTogo
i'm sure it is an excellent piece but my bolt gun experience is limited to my M48 Yugo-Mauser, that shoots better than i do...
35 posted on 02/22/2012 7:48:57 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Hugin

For that reason alone, I like a good ol’ Savage 99E lever gun in .308

Easier to maintain sight picture while cycling multiple shots than any bolt action.

Lighter than any autoloader by a couple of pounds.

Stylish furniture, and can be had for under $500


36 posted on 02/22/2012 7:53:36 PM PST by pingman (Durn tootin'; I like Glock shootin'!)
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To: DTogo
Any American made rifle should be your first choice as they are all superb tools.

Yes the foreigners make great rifles too, but unlike handguns they are not DOMINANT.

When I buy a rifle now days I buy Winchester, Browning, Marlin and Remington.

For assault weapons, Ruger, Colt and Bushmaster.

For pistols Sig, Beretta and HK.

Everyone makes a good shotgun:)

37 posted on 02/22/2012 7:53:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: varmintman

OK, now that online mag at CDNN is difficult to stop flipping through!


38 posted on 02/22/2012 7:57:06 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: smokingfrog

Pithy! :)


39 posted on 02/22/2012 7:59:50 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Chode
Mine so far is limited to my $100 '38 Mosin babooshka, and she dropped white tail just fine on foot (iron sights) to the chagrin of stand-mounted (scoped) comrades.

At the range cycling the bolt action is actually quite fun!

40 posted on 02/22/2012 8:08:00 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Chode

samco global arms has 7mm mausers rechambered to .308

purchased a 7mm mauser carbine and wwi ammo from them years ago very satisfied


41 posted on 02/22/2012 8:17:42 PM PST by AnTiw1
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To: Joe 6-pack; DTogo

The ballistics are really identical IMHO.

I prefer 308 because everyone I know has a 223/556 Mattel Warrior model. /s

I love using my long distance cordless drill against them as then can’t reach out as far as I can nor are they ever as accurate as I am @ $300yrds.

Same guys swear by 30/30 and I love 30-06 for the same reasons above.

I shoot side by side with them and they think I’m a better shooter. I don’t. I’m just using a round with superior trajectory.

Just competing ideas about shooting. They think their arms are superior for CQB and I remind them the M1A was used for CQB and Long Distance communication in a few wars.

Still, I do want a 308 AR and might get around to buying one later this summer.


42 posted on 02/22/2012 8:19:18 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: DTogo
all the guns i have ever owned long or short are autos(except my SS .22/.410 M6 Springfield Scout) so i picked up the Yugo for a change and have never regretted it

like you said cycling the bolt was a pleasant surprise

and that 8mm big bass boom when it goes off turns heads...

43 posted on 02/22/2012 8:20:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Vendome
My friends laugh when they see my setup. “You have more scope than you have gun”.

If you're talking dollar-wise, that's the way it's supposed to work.

44 posted on 02/22/2012 8:20:51 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

I know! LOL

I tell them the scope is more important if you want to shoot at long distance and low light.

They’re cheap and that’s okay. I like my toys. They are beautiful.


45 posted on 02/22/2012 8:24:07 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
"Still, I do want a 308 AR and might get around to buying one later this summer."

I'm quite enamored with my Armalite...nice compact little package:


46 posted on 02/22/2012 8:24:52 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Vendome
...everyone I know has a 223/556 Mattel Warrior model. /s

Ouch! ;^)

47 posted on 02/22/2012 8:27:26 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

I’m thinking DPMS. I’ll figure it out when I get closer.

I Like your rifle. Nice.


48 posted on 02/22/2012 8:30:00 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: AnTiw1
never heard of Samco Global before but will look at their catalog
49 posted on 02/22/2012 8:32:33 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: DTogo

Just messing with them. LOL

Undermines their confidence, even though they won’t admit their tool is the wrong tool for long distance.

Sometimes I tell them to warm their magazines and wait for a cloudy day to take advantage of possible attenuation in the atmosphere.

LOL Some get the joke and others don’t.

Dang, now I feel like going to the range this weekend.


50 posted on 02/22/2012 8:34:42 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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