Posted on 03/21/2012 8:05:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances
define what you mean by porn being more available. and then prove by reason or at least give a convincing “inductive” argument that supports your definition. my guess from talking to my childhood friends who are in law enforcement (experience is far more convincing when dealing with human nature) is that there is a relationship between serial pedophiles murders and porn.
the FBI statistics are based on what. reports? convictions? there, i’d have to see there study. but i’d be inclined to believe the base statistic. the question would be if the data were stratified to serial sex crime murders.
anyway. nice talking to you. i can see you have a lot more confidence then i do in statistics as employed by social “scientists.”
Your objections are disingenuous, IMO.
not clear enough to me. don’t see how the existence of various forms of modern video distribution necessarily make porn (which i believe has come for decades or even centuries in form of literature, photos, grafiti, blue or “art” films, before we got computers and camcorders or even tv) more “available” to potential sex criminals whose crimes have been described for centuries.
i don’t think you mean or can prove that streaming 20 frames per second is defined as a greater availabilty of porn (i guess that’s technically true if your defining availablity by number of frames per second consumed.)
anyway i could think of other, more direct, statistical “experiments” that could theoretically support what i think you are trying to say better than the point you are trying to sell me.
but, being called “disingenuous” i guess is my cue to say movin on.
You did good Linda Frances. But it seems that there are a lot of people on this thread that are more interested in excusing their own immoral behavior, than the truth about how destructive pornography is, on all different levels. To be honest with yourselves, many of you who are denying the truth about what Bundy is saying, are you really trying to say that the pornography that I do is innocent? You have no idea at all what it has done to your souls. If you could see your souls from God’s Holy eyes, with pornography on them, you would die with disgust at yourselves. It is time to stop saying “it’s not so bad” and repent.
Although I appreciate Santorum’s and your sincerity, truth be known that Santorum allows himself to be baited into answering questions by the media that paint him in an unflattering light. Yeah, he takes a stand on certain social issues. Great! I’d rather hear him talk about his plan for saving the US economy, getting America back to work, and preserving what little freedom we have left in this country. I don’t want him to talk about enforcing laws. I want him to talk about how there are too many laws that choke individual freedom....
Bundy also drove a car. Maybe cars caused him to kill people.
I’ve been posting testimonies of other people I’ve found on line. Sorry for the confusion.
The point here isn’t anyone’s morality
The point is porn had nothing to do with Bundy’s behavior, that was strictly his responsibility.
Many of us are offended by his attempt to shrug off his brutality by saying that porn made him do it.
Nobody here is downplaying the harmful effects of porn.....but that was not what made Ted Bundy a serial killer.
“To be honest with yourselves, many of you who are denying the truth about what Bundy is saying, are you really trying to say that the pornography that I do is innocent?”
No, pornography is a sin, surely. That doesn’t mean that Bundy isn’t a liar and his argument isn’t full of holes big enough to drive a truck through. Be honest with YOURSELF, aren’t you pushing the “testimony” of one of the most heinous murderers in American history, and favoring it over the testimony of experts on the subject, simply because he agrees with your own pre-conceived notions? Isn’t that what liberals do all the time, and we rightly condemn then for it?
Amen.
I think the point to be made here is that its not about porn. If Ted Bundy had never looked at porn in his life he still would have gotten around to killing women because he was a deranged psychopath. Probably deranged psychopaths also like a little porn and other disgusting things you and I don’t dabble in.
I seriously doubt the freepers on this thread are engaging in a lot of violent porn Linda Frances. You might want to spend a little time praying for Ted Bundy’s soul. Mine is doing just fine. See you in Heaven.
Interesting.
I think you forget Bundy was a master of deception. He fooled a ton of people. I believe he fooled Dobson in this interview. And apparently you, as well.
Further you also over-reach in your statement. Nobody here said normal (no violent) pornography was sinless. What they have said is that it is NOT the same thing as violent porn is, and the vast majority of people (men and women) who view the non-violent porn have no interest in violent porn. Watchers of non-violent porn are not sadists nor is there any evidence (but you seem to want to take Bundy’s word on it) that there’s some natural progression to violent porn. There isn’t.
Still heavily involved in the occult, but go figure, an atheist, I became very, very demonized. I got to know the worst demons from hell on a personal level. They impressed upon me things that, as a child, I would not, nor could not have imagined in my worst imagination nor from my life's young experience. By the grace of God and because of my family, very thankfully, I did not carry out the images and promptings I received from demons. The things that they fed into my mind and soul cannot be described as they were so foul, so horrible and so powerful that unless they have subjected you to them, you could never understand nor fathom.
I walked in a black cloud that the students of my school were well aware of. I was so tormented by demons that I stayed awake all night and dozed in the school bathrooms. When I was about 18 all the demonic torment left me. I have no idea why, but my guess would be that a pastor and his wife, that had befriended me at a diner, may have been praying for me. Thank God I was suddenly free from agonizing torment for the first time in years.
At college, still an atheist, Christians were led to talk to me about The Gospel, whom I mocked mercilessly, telling them that they were stupid and naive beyond belief, but somehow I decided to read The Bible so that I could know what it was that they were talking about and become better educated. Well my salvation story is a very amazing story that would take maybe a book to tell about, but saved I became.
That was over 30 years ago and though the time lines blur and memories dim, I still remember how awful the demons from hell were, that at times I could physically see them, what they impressed upon me and how tormented I was. I will be very glad to someday be in heaven and have those incredibly evil, demented, horrible beyond being able to convey, images and promptings from hell, that at one time, long ago, tormented me be forever erased from my mind. Thank God, I only remember them rarely when addressing or thinking about such things as pornography.
I still remember meeting a classmate several years after high school who said that he was amazed that I was the same person and did not recognize me at all, as the last time he saw me it was as though I was in a black cloud that he thought he could actual see around me and now was so happy and bright.
So it was a combination of the occult and pornography that caused me to be, at such a young age, so horribly accosted by demons. I know the kind of demons that people such as Bundy were/are possessed with and no normal person can begin to imagine what they are like. And sometimes it just takes the right combination of circumstances for them to come into your life, even at a very young age, and cause you to be nearly powerless against them. It is only by God,s grace that somehow I was able to withstand them but at the cost of being horribly and terribly tormented.
So I think that many of you who think Bundy was making things up, do not understand the spiritual component behind sins such as pornography. Sometimes someone, who knows why that individual, can become oppressed and/or possessed with demonic powers and that is the difference. I don't necessarily expect anyone who hasn't been taken over by evil spirits to understand, as you really couldn't. So if you want to accuse me of taking his side, because I expect that there may very likely be something to his claims that pornography played a role in his horrific crimes, I will understand. But what you may not understand is that when you do evil things, you may open yourself up to demons from hell and if they are powerful enough they can take a person over, begin to control their thoughts, emotions and even their actions.
This is one of the reasons that we should not even lightly get involved and support evil, because we do not know what we may be contributing to. Any discerning person, who cares about decency, even a little, must stop playing with pornography or for that matter any evil because behind it are hosts of demons.
To say that pornography played an important role in evolving Bundy into a man that did the unspeakable crimes that he did is not the same thing as saying that he doesn't have responsibility for his sins. Many things play into the sins committed by people but we are all still guilty before God for the sins we commit. Our only hope being Jesus Christ and the blood that He shed for us for the forgiveness of our sins.
Not everyone who argues that pornography didn't have anything to do with Bundy's heinous beyond imagination crimes has done, or does do pornography, but if you have, or do pornography, do not continue to do it, or excuse it as not harmful, because it is very, very evil.
Friend, you are reading things into what has not been said, and not listening to what has been said.
I never said nonviolent porn is not sinful. Saying something is not the same as something else does not mean both things are not both bad.
Further it is clear for the vast majority of folks - not Bundy or susceptible people in your earlier condition - do not naturally progress from nonviolent to violent porn. We do not have tens of millions of Ted Bundy’s and their female equivalents roaming the country killing dozens of people.
You are projecting.
No, we don't, by God's grace. But what pain, suffering and debauchery of varying degrees occurs all the time because of people imbibing in pornography? Bundy is the extreme case, and these cases are becoming more frequent, but for every Bundy there are countless others whose lives have been debased, marriages destroyed, children victims of divorce and molestation, and myriads of other consequences because many do not understand or are not willing to admit to how destructive and evil pornography is.
And certainly most do not understand that when they imbibe in wickedness they are giving room to demons, who may or may not manifest themselves in a Bundy, but they do manifest themselves in the destruction of souls, families and the moral fiber of our Country. It seems that too many have become hardened to sin and do not understand the damage it does.
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John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have [it] more abundantly.
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Ephesians 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; .....
Eph 4:27 Neither give place to the devil.
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