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FReepers and Americans repent! (vanity)
25 May 2012 | me

Posted on 05/25/2012 12:03:32 PM PDT by impimp

A few points: 1. Contraception is a leftist ploy to break down the family, faith in God, and all of society. 2. Freepers and Americans who use it need to repent to God. 3. The states need to ban it. 4. There is no right to contraception. 5. Contraception leads to abortion. 6. Stop sexual immorality.


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1 posted on 05/25/2012 12:03:46 PM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp

You need to be zotted.

Contraception is frequently used by married couples to PREVENT pregnancy when the couple is not in a position to have children.

You are nutz.


2 posted on 05/25/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: Winstons Julia

Those who are in favor of contraception should be zotted.


3 posted on 05/25/2012 12:13:49 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Winstons Julia

When conraception is used by married couples it is a rejection of God’s laws and natural law. If a couple is “not in a position” to have children then they should engage in prayerful abstinence. Very few couples are not in a position to have children. Contraception is selfishness.

Those societies that embrace it will meet their downfall.


4 posted on 05/25/2012 12:17:45 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Winstons Julia; impimp

Let’s make it two votes for you’re nuts. (impimp)


5 posted on 05/25/2012 12:17:59 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: impimp

Fail.

But, you go right ahead and let the left drive the agenda away from anything but their record.

They desperately need you to take your stand and fight on this hill, a battle they can actually strategically win.

The “war on women” is the Obama Administration destroying the economic future for everybody.


6 posted on 05/25/2012 12:18:22 PM PDT by ziravan (Are you better off now than you were $9.4 Trillion dollars ago?)
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To: impimp

—Those who are in favor of contraception should be zotted.—

Why?

What biblical references support your position that contraception is a sin?


7 posted on 05/25/2012 12:18:33 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: EEGator

I don’t think he’s nuts (yet) but I need to know on what information he bases is “opinion”.


8 posted on 05/25/2012 12:19:53 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: impimp

I think that when we get an easy, safe, male contraceptive, that females will become more chaste and reluctant in giving out their sexual favors.


9 posted on 05/25/2012 12:20:13 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: impimp
Contraception leads to abortion.

Talk about twisted logic, if anything contraception would cut down on the number of abortions by cutting down unwanted pregnancies. People aren't going to just have sex only when they want kids. Believe it or not they also do it to produce a bond of intimacy between the couple which most ideally should occur only within marriage. There is nothing in the Bible supporting the idea of contraception being a sin...period.

10 posted on 05/25/2012 12:22:20 PM PDT by MissesBush (The Fourth Estate has Become a Fifth Column)
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To: impimp

OK, “I am pimp”, put your money where your mouth is. Run for congress on the “ban contraception” platform and let us know how you do.


11 posted on 05/25/2012 12:23:23 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: cuban leaf

How about Genesis 9:7


12 posted on 05/25/2012 12:23:50 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: cuban leaf

Genesis 38. And if you don’t like my interpretation of Genesis 38 then you should refer to the interpretation of the authority that Jesus called upon to interpret these things (Matthew 16:18-20) - the Holy Catholic Church. Those who reject the Catholic interpretation and teaching on contraception are acting like those in Judges when each man did what was right in his own eyes.


13 posted on 05/25/2012 12:24:57 PM PDT by impimp
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To: EEGator; impimp; Winstons Julia

Count me as another vote for impimp is nuts.


14 posted on 05/25/2012 12:26:05 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: impimp

I recall the Scripture pertaining to contraception.

It was Mitt21 verses 7 and 8, right?

There are married couples that are not in a position to have many children. I believe Scripture also teaches that it is immoral to live beyond your means.

You can send a charitable donation to Octomom. I hear she’s fallen on hard times.


15 posted on 05/25/2012 12:27:09 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

I was hoping you were going for something deeper.

How fruitful is fruitful? Is three kids enough? How about four? How about 17? And if you have 17, are you “fruitful”? Have you “multiplied”? If the answer to either is “yes”, then how is using contraception a sin?


16 posted on 05/25/2012 12:28:39 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

And for those who reject God’s Church I appeal to you based on reason and natural law. Those societies who reject sexual immorality flourish - the next generation belongs to those who bother to show up for it. The Greeks and the Romans all had TFRs (Total fertility rates) below replacement levels leading up to their demise.


17 posted on 05/25/2012 12:29:58 PM PDT by impimp
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To: NEMDF

Technically pimp should be advocating for polygamy, too, right?


18 posted on 05/25/2012 12:30:38 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: EEGator

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk


19 posted on 05/25/2012 12:31:34 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: impimp

—Genesis 38.—

Which verse?

—Those who reject the Catholic interpretation and teaching on contraception are acting like those in Judges when each man did what was right in his own eyes.—

Now you are just being silly. And argumentative. And a troll.

You must have just read this stuff from the Catholic teaching. Read deeper. When they start talking that nonsense about Mary being perfect and ever-virgin, RUN, don’t walk, from that nonsense. The bible supports none of it and even contradicts it.


20 posted on 05/25/2012 12:32:55 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MissesBush

You are full of twisted liberal logic. You care about theory and intentions and the “heart” of those who “responsibly” contracept. What matters is RESULTS! Look at some statistics before you post.

Contraception and abortion go hand in hand. Contraception leads to abortion because of the breakdown in morality and sexual immorality that it causes.


21 posted on 05/25/2012 12:34:58 PM PDT by impimp
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To: EEGator

Add in another vote for nuts.


22 posted on 05/25/2012 12:36:48 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: impimp

I disagree with you. I don’t think all contraception is wrong.


23 posted on 05/25/2012 12:36:48 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: impimp
4. There is no right to contraception.

I believe that contraception does lead to sexual immorality (in non-married couples), but I even more strongly believe that the government has NO AUTHORITY to say whether contraception is "permitted" or not. Saying that there is no right to contraception implies that our rights are something to be doled out and recognized by the government, rather than inalienable rights held by the people which the government is not permitted to violate. Any power not explicitly granted to the government is FORBIDDEN to the government. If we want people to stop using contraception, then we'll need a societal return to God, so that moral and social pressure keep people from this behavior, rather than an all-powerful nanny state.

That said, I'm cool with local/state governments banning abortion and all abortifacients because abortion is murder and murder is one of those crimes which is covered in the social compact. In other words, we as a society have agreed that murder is something we want the government to discourage and prosecute, just like robbery and rape. Any "contraception" that actually eliminates pregnancy by killing a fertilized egg or preventing it from implanting is, in fact, murdering an unborn child. However, I would never support the government having the power to outlaw a contraceptive such as a condom, not because I think using condoms is cool, but because I abhor the government having that much power.
24 posted on 05/25/2012 12:37:03 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: impimp

—And for those who reject God’s Church —

And who is “God’s Chruch?

I see it here.

Matthew 12: 47-50, specifically 50

Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


25 posted on 05/25/2012 12:37:58 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: impimp

IBTZ


26 posted on 05/25/2012 12:39:27 PM PDT by DFG ("Dumb, Dependent, and Democrat is no way to go through life" - Louie Gohmert (R-TX))
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To: Drew68; NEMDF
I think I found out who impimp is:
27 posted on 05/25/2012 12:39:36 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: cuban leaf

By what authority do you know what books are in the bible? How do you know that the Gospel according to Barnabas, Peter, etc. are not inspired New testament Books. Where in your bible does it say what books should be in the bible?

Why don’t you trust in the authority that gave you the NT - the Catholic Church?

Genesis 38:9,10 coupled with many other verses and the authority of God’s Church.


28 posted on 05/25/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Jemian; impimp

‘I disagree with you. I don’t think all contraception is wrong.’

Is pulling out early contraception? We shouldn’t be doing that (we = husband and wife) ? Is that considered sinful?

How about just abstinence? That occurs naturally in most marriages over time. Is that a sin also?


29 posted on 05/25/2012 12:43:30 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: fr_freak

That is why I want states to ban it - until there is a constitutional amendment banning it.


30 posted on 05/25/2012 12:44:31 PM PDT by impimp
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To: cuban leaf

I’m reminded of the sadducees “if 7 women married a man, who’s husband is she in the resurrection”, trying to pick holes in the word of God.

To which Jesus told them “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”

The Bible doesn’t cover modern technology of course. It doesn’t say anything about euthanasia either but we know that euthanasia is an abomination against God.

That’s why someone who has actually read the Bible through with the Spirit of God leading them actually gets to know the personality of Jesus through it. Just like if you sat down and talked with an old wise guy for a few weeks, you might not hear his opinion on every thing, but you would still know his opinion on those things, because you know the man.


31 posted on 05/25/2012 12:44:48 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: impimp
And for those who reject God’s Church I appeal to you based on reason and natural law

I beg to differ, you are most definitely not appealing to reason.

32 posted on 05/25/2012 12:48:14 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: impimp

Do you not know that contraception is Scriptual? It serves a Godly purpose.

1 Corinthians 7:3-6 : From the apostle Paul to the Corinthians

The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a CONCESSION, not as a command.

This depriving by mutual consent? Contraception.


33 posted on 05/25/2012 12:48:14 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: impimp

Genesis 38:9,10 is a specific case about a specific man.

The rest of your post is the same stuff I’ve argued for decades. Prayer and a relationship with Jesus Himself trumps the “angels dancing on the head of a pin” arguments you are making.

I say this in the spirit of love. Who is Christs? Not members of a specific church.


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15:12
This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.


Love is a “feeling”.
Love is an attitude.
Love is a commitment.
Love is a decision.
Love is an action.

I have chosen to LOVE YOU, a fallen sinner like myself, who imperfectly attempts, as do I, to show God’s love to his fellow man.


34 posted on 05/25/2012 12:48:36 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: mnehring

“Add in another vote for nuts.”

Ridicule is the first step in the coming war against those who speak the truth about Contraception. Next comes isolation and persecution.


35 posted on 05/25/2012 12:49:34 PM PDT by impimp
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To: Responsibility2nd

This is a reference to abstinence not contraception.


36 posted on 05/25/2012 12:52:24 PM PDT by impimp
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To: impimp
"A few points:..."

Here's a few more.

" 1. Contraception is a leftist ploy to break down the family, faith in God, and all of society."

Yeah, and flouridation was a communist plot. Remember that one?

" 2. Freepers and Americans who use it need to repent to God. 3. The states need to ban it."

You are entitled to believe anything you like. If you think it's a sin, don't do it. But in a free society you are not entitled to impose your religious beliefs as law. This is not a theocracy. We do not accept the premise of Sharia. America is a great country, love it or leave it.

" 4. There is no right to contraception."

There most certainly is the right to make this choice for yourself.

" 5. Contraception leads to abortion. 6. Stop sexual immorality."

If you want to stop what you believe is immorality you do it by one, not engaging in it, and two, persuading others to agree with you. You don't get to outlaw it.

37 posted on 05/25/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by mlo
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To: impimp
"Ridicule is the first step in the coming war against those who speak the truth about Contraception. Next comes isolation and persecution."

Delusions of grandeur. No, ridicule is about all you're going to get.

38 posted on 05/25/2012 12:54:45 PM PDT by mlo
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To: impimp

This coming from a self proclaimed pimp? Interesting.


39 posted on 05/25/2012 12:55:07 PM PDT by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: chuck_the_tv_out

—I’m reminded of the sadducees “if 7 women married a man, who’s husband is she in the resurrection”, trying to pick holes in the word of God.—

Exactly. What I find interesting is that there are all sorts of contraception that were around then. One is abstinance. Then there is rhythm.

Sometimes people really try to read something into the bible that is just not there. The Genesis 38: 9,10 argument was one I was introduced to back in 1981. At the time I was a new Christian and thought, “Gee, yeah, that’s pretty clear.” Then I realized that it was very clear to the people in the story, but it was not about all mankind. And as I got older and looked at the “adult” characteristics of human sex and its purpose, and the words of Jesus concerning it, I realized that this preoccupation with controlling sex within the marriage bed is mostly a contrivance of new, single, Christians.

Sex is like food, a thing that is required for life to continue and also to be greatly enjoyed. Heck, my wife and I love Song of Songs. It’s literally a form of what we now call “erotica”. :-)


40 posted on 05/25/2012 12:58:28 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: impimp
1. Contraception is a leftist ploy to break down the family, faith in God, and all of society.

Based on what (even flimsy) analysis and/or evidence? The Catholic Church's dogma? No thanks.

2. Freepers and Americans who use it need to repent to God.

Why? Because you say so?

3. The states need to ban it.

I think the states need to require Catholic hospitals give out contraceptives and free abortions. What? You don't like it when the states force crap down your throat?

4. There is no right to contraception.

It's not a right, it's simply an exercise some people engage in for many different reasons. Who beyond Sandra Slut and Obama said it was a right?

5. Contraception leads to abortion.

Invalid logic error: DIV BY 0

6. Stop sexual immorality.

Ummm...OK. Done.

41 posted on 05/25/2012 12:59:30 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: impimp

The only one waging a war now on contraception besides yourself is Obama trying to equate it to abortion as a marketing tactic. He is trying to spin the opposition to abortion as the same as opposing condoms or the pill.

Or is that who you who are answering to?

Considering how you are twisting Bible verses, you seem to remind me of a divinity PHD I know who is a huge Obama supporter and does this kind of crap all the time to make Right Christians look nuts.

Have you heard of MOBY trolling?


42 posted on 05/25/2012 12:59:46 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Responsibility2nd

a) ***for a time***
b) totally reading whatever you like into the passage!


43 posted on 05/25/2012 1:00:00 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: All
Click to learn more- Moby Trolling:

44 posted on 05/25/2012 1:02:43 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: impimp

So?

How many kids you got?


45 posted on 05/25/2012 1:03:25 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: impimp

The end result with both is a rejection and denial of sperm to the ovaries. That is the definition of contraception my FRiend.


46 posted on 05/25/2012 1:04:11 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: mnehring; impimp

Good point. I Am Pimp seems to be more like a cartoon character than a misguided idiot.


47 posted on 05/25/2012 1:05:50 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: humblegunner
Does being a Furry qualify as contraception?

Even one with smooth moves?

48 posted on 05/25/2012 1:08:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: impimp
Genesis 38.

To be consistent, then God should instantly zot anybody who uses contraception in any form, even Onan's method?

I got to put my interpretation here fwiw. Judah's eldest son, who was the "first born" and therefore heir to be head of the family, died childless. The levirate custom, which was practiced in Canaan in those days, required that the dead man's brother take his widow and attempt to give her offspring. While this might have been a form of "social security", its main purpose was to have the new child "step into the shoes" of the dead brother.

The Scripture says, "Onan knew the seed would not be his", so he withdrew prematurely, "lest he give seed to his brother." He would have been reasoning this way: "If I take my brother's widow, and she never gets pregnant by me, then I inherit the pot and my own kids, by my own wife, will get it after me. But if Tamar gets a child, then he gets the pot and my own kids play second fiddle to HIM!"

True, but tough tacos. Onan was second fiddle to start with, but this got him kicked out of the orchestra.

49 posted on 05/25/2012 1:10:26 PM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: Future Snake Eater

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2888054/posts?page=1


50 posted on 05/25/2012 1:11:20 PM PDT by mnehring
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