Posted on 06/12/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by LouAvul
>>You know nothing about me or my reasons for asking.<<
Res ipsa loquater, baby.
Quo fallis?
He not only turned the water into the finest wine, He made a LOT of it. Six stone jars holding up to thirty gallons each is 180 gallons of excellent wine. That 908 bottles of wine in today’s world.
In John’s gospel it says “He thus revealed His glory.”
I don’t think it’s wise to try to apply the circumstances of a wedding feast as a general rule of living. People also gorged themselves on food that night, surely, and yet the lack of denouncement from Christ does not equate to an endorsement of gluttony, or of tempting others to gluttony. There are plenty of verses that demonstrate drunkenness is not approved by God, and verses enjoining us to lead by example and not to lead others into temptation even though we have some leeway in our behavior due to Christian liberty.
Personally, I think the teetotaling churches are foolish, but I was just saying that there is some scripture which they can try to appeal to in order to support their position. I don’t think they are correct, but at least they can make a Biblical argument.
Glad you pointed that out. If it’s a commandment to get drunk, then it’s also a commandment for us to die violently. Yikes!
We all know when (1) we've had too much on one occasion (maybe not until the next morning...), and (2) when we're just drinking too much all the time (maybe not until someone tells us...).
Read your Bible for guidance, as in everything else. Proverbs has a lot of it, Paul wrote a lot of it, and it's all through God's word.
But lighten up, folks, it's okay to be "merry" within some reasonable bounds now and then, and
...if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. [Dt. 14:24-26, ESV]Rejoice, y'all, just don't be "addicted to much wine." Well, that, and don't make a fool of yourself; you're always the current and present example of us all...
This shouldn't be a problem for us. If you drink, "do all to the glory of God."
Think hard about that, okay?
***He not only turned the water into the finest wine,****
Well MY preacher, about 15 years ago, said Jesus turned the water into...”Pure unfermented grape juice!”
We all tried not to break out laughing.
I told my Bible thumping coworkers that if Jesus had turned the water into grape juice, the head steward would have thrown down his goblet, told the servants, “You trying to get me fired!!? Where did this s#@! come from anyway!?” and then stormed out of the wedding feast.
;^)
no ‘m nought... ‘m only tupsy.
I was told by my pastor that ‘feet’ is a commonly used euphemism for ‘genitals’ in the bible.
Also, surprised it hasn’t come up, but the poster who brought Noah into the picture, failed to mention that he got drunk because his wine was spiked by his daughters, who then proceeded to have sex with him, in order to preserve the tribe.
Drinking and dancing at a wedding feast: OK.
Going to town on Saturday to sell your crops, coming home shitfaced, and screaming at your wife and family in a drunken rage for hours on end: Not Ok.
Didn't come up because it wasn't Noah. Lot.
Right, Saturday is the Sabbath, you shouldn’t be doing any selling! (j/k)
Yeah, and the Pharisees condemned Jesus for hanging around with a bunch of fruit juice drinkers.
Obviously blood-alcohol drunkenness. There is spiritual drunkenness many times too.
Yea, verily. Thou art $hit-faced.
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