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Tisdale: “Mercury rising”? “Greater L.A. to heat up an average 4 to 5 degrees by mid-century”????
watts Up With That? ^ | June 25, 2012 | Guest post by Bob Tisdale

Posted on 06/25/2012 1:54:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach


Downtown Los Angeles as seen from American Airlines flight from Japan. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

SkepticalScience recently published a post titled Mercury rising: Greater L.A. to heat up an average 4 to 5 degrees by mid-century. It’s a cross post of a UCLA press release with the same title. It struck me odd, because we recently showed that Western North American land surface temperatures have declined in recent years. Refer to Figure 6 in the post IPCC Models vs Observations – Land Surface Temperature Anomalies for the Last 30 Years on a Regional Basis.

The press release is based on the Hall et al (2012) climate model study Mid-Century Warming in the Los Angeles Region published at the website C-Change.La.

So, does a 4 to 5 deg F rise in Greater Los Angeles land surface temperature anomalies by 2050 sound realistic? That equates to a rise of 2.5 to 2.8 deg C. Considering that, based on a preliminary look at the data, greater Los Angeles land surface temperature anomalies have been cooling for the 3-plus decades, it seems to be a real stretch of the imagination.

The GHCN-CAMS land surface temperature dataset comes in a number of resolutions, including 0.5 degree latitude and longitude. Lucky for us, it’s available through the KNMI Climate Explorer. And that means we can capture data for some reasonably small geographical areas. The GHCN-CAMS land surface temperature dataset was presented in the Fan and Dool (2007) paper A global monthly land surface air temperature analysis for 1948-present. It will allow us to get an idea of what Greater Los Angeles surface temperatures have been doing since 1948.

The UCLA press release states (my bold face):

Some of the smallest changes predicted, yet still nearing a 4-degree increase, are in Oxnard (3.68 degrees), Venice (3.70), Santa Barbara (3.73), Santa Monica (3.74), San Pedro (3.78), Torrance (3.80), Long Beach (3.82) and Santa Ana (3.85). Among the highest predicted increases are Wrightwood (5.37), Big Bear Lake (5.23), Palm Springs (5.15), Palmdale (4.92), Lancaster (4.87), Bakersfield (4.48) and Santa Clarita (4.44). Table 2 in the study calls out 27 distinct locations, such as downtown Los Angeles (3.92), San Fernando (4.19), Woodland Hills (4.26), Eagle Rock (3.98), Pasadena (4.05), Pomona (4.09), Glendale (3.99) and Riverside (4.23).

So they’ve made predictions for an area larger than the City or County of Los Angeles. For the sake of discussion, let’s say it represents the area bordered by the coordinates of 33N-35.5N, 121W-117W. See Figure 1. Those coordinates fit with the 0.5 degree grids. And we’ll call that dataset Santa Barbara-Ventura-Los Angeles-Orange Counties.

Figure 1

Figure 2 presents a time-series graph of the Santa Barbara-Ventura-Los Angeles-Orange Counties land surface temperature anomalies since January 1948. The data has a linear trend of 0.177 deg C/decade. In order for the land surface temperatures for that dataset to rise 2.5 deg C by 2050, the linear trend of the data has to change drastically to about 0.667 deg C/decade from June 2012 through December 2050.

Figure 2


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: california; climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax
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1 posted on 06/25/2012 1:54:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I thought Los Angeles was supposed to be underwater by now what with sea levels rising by 25 feet and all.

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2 posted on 06/25/2012 1:59:37 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine; Marine_Uncle; TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; ...
It has been been cool so far this year.

They are promising a warm up next week.

3 posted on 06/25/2012 2:03:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Mercury is an evening star right now so it is invisible when it rises. It reaches greatest elongation on July 1st so it will be getting a little higher in the evening sky until then. It entered the constellation Cancer yesterday.

But none of that is more true in L.A. than elsewhere.

4 posted on 06/25/2012 2:04:13 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: MeganC
Well,...with regard to sea level...see this thread:

Another Stephan Rahmstorf sea level scare

The Global Warmistas Crowd is meeting in Rio,...so it is time to let loose the Alarmists Stories.

5 posted on 06/25/2012 2:10:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: All
Got to include this excerpt:

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In Figure 3, I’ve smoothed the Santa Barbara-Ventura-Los Angeles-Orange Counties land surface temperature anomalies with a 13-month running-average filter to reduce some of the variability. What caught my eye was the shift in 1976 that coincides with the Pacific Climate Shift. Curiously, it appears the dataset has been cooling since that shift.

Figure 3

6 posted on 06/25/2012 2:15:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Figure 2 looks like things have really cooled off in the last 12 years or so.


7 posted on 06/25/2012 2:15:44 PM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Perhaps they should heed the advice of Secretary Chu and paint the streets white.
8 posted on 06/25/2012 2:16:35 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Here’s the comment I left at the wuwt article:
L.A. summers -used- to be hot; looking at Pasadena in particular, we’re talking a majority of the summer days over 90°F, and many over 100. But those who live there have noticed a dramatic change, as the last 4 summers — in a row — have been cool. 90° has been a virtual ceiling, with just a handful of days going over 90, and literally just a couple of days reaching 100. This is seemingly and obviously inconsistent with the notion that we are in a period of acute global warming. Instead, if we were actually living in the hottest period of history, nearly all the days should be over 90, and a near majority over 100. But it’s the opposite… And now, to predict that temps are going to skyrocket in L.A., it’s just ludicrous, laughable. Makes you shake your head in disbelief. The warmists are full of it.


9 posted on 06/25/2012 2:30:07 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Hokestuk

I wonder if any of these “Climatologist” have ever heard of precession? Evidently they all seem to think that the earth is supposed to be static and not ruled by nature and the natural events of planets.


10 posted on 06/25/2012 2:43:27 PM PDT by Meadow Muffin
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
We should never let reality get in the way of a halfway decent computer model run.

Up to a foot of snow for Mt Shasta California In summer ! (forecast for this past weekend)

South Pole Station Sets New Record Low: -100.8°F

11 posted on 06/25/2012 3:00:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Meadow Muffin

There is no evidence that the ultra-trace gas CO2 affects climate scale temps. Instead, there is only an arguable ambiguous theoretical model. Indeed, ipcc founded their climate propaganda on a correlation which wasn’t evidence; they claimed that there was a causal correlation between temps and CO2. This has since been debunked, but algor continued to parrot the falsehood, see him called out for doing just that in this 3 minute video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK_WyvfcJyg
Maybe 98% of the public doesn’t know this key info about CO2 as presented in the video above. That’s why it’s important that we share and promote that video. Watch it.
My thinking: CO2 may have at most a minuscule warming effect, but in any event the ultra-trace gas is simply dwarfed by other huger factors, like the sun, and the ocean and atmospheric dynamics. An analogy: take a large open winter auditorium, put a small 800w bathroom heater (CO2) at the center. Sure, it heats, but it’s not going to make a whits worth of difference on the temps in the open auditorium. The larger environment overwhelms any effect of the tiny heater (CO2).


12 posted on 06/25/2012 3:04:27 PM PDT by Hokestuk
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To: Hokestuk
What they have done is take the existing heat sink, (+10 degrees) and added X number of shopping center's. Once you do this you can raise the temperature at that location +10`. Think of a checker board. No wonder they can't find work after school.
13 posted on 06/25/2012 3:13:25 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Nothin’ to do with LA, but,,,, here in Cleveland, it’s dropping to 50 tonight, but supposed to be in the 90s by Wednesday or Thursday.


14 posted on 06/25/2012 4:12:23 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hey these guys are near a great big ocean. Maybe, they can go in and cool themselves off.


15 posted on 06/25/2012 4:47:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Hot pie in the sky when you die.


16 posted on 06/25/2012 5:01:57 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Ineptocracy; the Obama way.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"It has been been cool so far this year. They are promising a warm up next week."
Let me guess. Hot Air Gore is flying back to his Malibu home next week after the Rio Summit is over.
17 posted on 06/25/2012 5:41:13 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Revolting cat!
That's nothing, this is what Los Angeles is predicted to look like within the next 7 years!


18 posted on 06/25/2012 11:12:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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