Posted on 07/01/2012 8:44:32 AM PDT by Sodbuster
The Obamacare penalty was ruled a tax by Robers. I am trying to identify what type of tax it is. Is it an income tax? No. Is it a property tax? No. I wouldn't be taxed on property that I own. I would be taxed on services that I didn't buy. Is it a sales tax? No. I wouldn't be paying a percentage sales tax on soemthing that I bought, I would be paying a tax on something that I didn't buy. Is there anything like this 'tax' in existence today? I truly need to know. How can a person be taxed for not buying something? Is there some type of obscure tax (corporate or otherwise) that this qualifies as? Somebody please explain this to me.
It’s the Hey Whatever Makes It Work Tax.
I will not comply.
If it IS a tax as Roberts somehow found it was. It’s a unconstitutional tax.
"Directive 10-289
"In the name of the general welfare," read Wesley Mouch, "to protect the people's security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that--
"Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board, such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.
"Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under pentalty of the nationalization of their establishment and of any and all of their property.
"Point Three. All patents and copyrights, pertaining to any devices, inventions, formulas, processes and works of any nature whatsoever, shall be turned over to the nation as a patriotic emergency gift by means of Gift Certificates to be signed voluntarily by the owners of all such patents and copyrights. The Unification Board shall then license the use of such patents and copyrights to all applicants, equally and without discrimination, for the purpose of eliminating monopolistic practices, discarding obsolete products and making the best available to the whole nation. No trademarks, brand names or copyrighted titles shall be used. Every formerly patented product shall be known by a new name and sold by all manufacturers under the same name, such name to be selected by the Unification Board. All private trademarks and brand names are hereby abolished.
"Point Four. No new devices, inventions, products, or goods of any nature whatsoever, not now on the market, shall be produced, invented, manufacturerd or sold afer the date of this directive. The Office of Patents and Copyrights is hereby suspended.
"Point Five. Every establishment, concern, corporation or person engaged in production of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth produce the same amount of goods per year as it, they or he produced during the Basic Year, no more and no less. The year to be known as the Basic or Yardstick Year is to be the year ending on the date of this directive. Over or under production shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Barod.
"Point Six. Every person of any age, sex, class or income, shall henceforth spend the same amount of money on the purchase of goods per year as he or she spent during the Basic Year, no more and no less. Over or under purchasing shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.
"Point Seven. All wages, prices, salaries, dividends, profits, interest rates and forms of income of any nature whatsoever, shall be frozen at their present figures, as of the date of this directive.
"Point Eight. All cases arising from and rules not specifically provided for in this directive, shall be settled and determined by the Unification Board, whose decisions will be final.""
It is an income tax.
As the United States Constitution requires all revenue-related bills to originate in the House,[162] the Senate took up this bill since it was first passed by the House as a revenue-related modification to the Internal Revenue Code. The bill was then used as the Senate’s vehicle for their health care reform proposal, completely revising the content of the bill.
This also sidesteps the constitution on the requirement that direct taxes must be apportioned.
It’s the Roberts Tax.
More likely it would be a sumptuary tax ~ albeit one designed to deprive you of the "luxury" of indulging in the "sin of freeloading" (presumably).
You can read a brief on the history of this class of taxes in America at: http://www.urban.org/books/TTP/davie.cfm
Only to point this out....it’s a tax that has no effect on the wealthy of America. It’s aimed at the working class and those just above poverty. Once you lay this out in front of the 35 million folks who don’t have health insurance today....they will make up their mind about the logic of this. It fails to help.
There are all sorts of taxes on certain items the government deems "bad". Cigarettes, alcohol, sugary drinks. Taxes imposed to stifle use or consumption. In other words taxes to control behavior.
This tax is also punitive as in it wants to PUNISH people for not doing what the government deems as good.
Now, if we are to look at taxes as punitive, as the government has. Lets look at 2 taxes. Income and property taxes.
If the government deems taxes are punitive actions, then government views income and property ownership as actions that require punitive actions against them.
It is the Dread Pirate Roberts tax
He made it up. It’s the unicorn tax.
In Bizzaro World all your questions would be easily answered by word salad.
a. a tax levied by the Norman and early Angevin kings on their Crown lands and royal towns
b. a toll levied by a lord upon his tenants or by a feudal lord upon his vassals
The only way left open for us to stop this crap is a Constitutional Amendment — not even the Supreme Court can rule on it.
We would need 38 states to ratify it, and I have heard that Republicans control 33 state legislatures, so it is within grasp. State legislatures would ratify it, not a popular vote.
We need to get busy, and the anger has to be harnessed NOW.
It is a skittle dropping unicorn tax.
Ahh, you may be right
0bamatax is a “sin” tax
The progressives believe many things are bad for you, and as your nanny, penalize you for bad behavor.
Sin Taxes are not limited to the sins of : smoking, drinking alcohol, freeloading, not eating your peas,drinking more than 16oz of soda pop per minute, or what pops into dingbat Pelosi’s head on any given day
Take your pick.
It is a tax that will be calculated through your tax return...
Line 43c: Are you are self-employed and currently have health insurance policy?
If NO add $8000.00 to your tax due.
It’s made up out of thin air. No such tax exists. It’s Robert’s Tyranny Tax.
Since it will take too long before someone is actually taxed under Robert’s health care bill [In order to challenge it in Court], Congress needs to pass a direct tax of their own.
“There will be a 10,000 tax on every individual not voting for a conservative candidate this election” or some such outrageous mandate illustrating the damage Robert’s and his gang of Commies did to the Constitution.
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