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NCAA: 'Punitive measures' await (against Penn State - worse than 'death penalty')
ESPM ^ | July 22, 2012

Posted on 07/22/2012 11:36:39 AM PDT by Zakeet

NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.

The NCAA will announce "corrective and punitive measures" for Penn State on Monday morning, it said in a statement Sunday. Emmert will reveal the sanctions at 9 a.m. ET in Indianapolis at the organization's headquarters along with Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA's executive committee and Oregon State's president, the news release said.

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1 posted on 07/22/2012 11:36:54 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
That photo makes it look like Joe is seeking to be recognized for a “point of order”.
2 posted on 07/22/2012 11:48:03 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Zakeet

Paterno should be stripped of all victories since 1998, when allegedly he first knew about Sandusky.


3 posted on 07/22/2012 11:49:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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4 posted on 07/22/2012 11:54:57 AM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

If Emmert for a ahead with this, Penn State will get an injunction and sue the NCAA, and win.


5 posted on 07/22/2012 12:00:36 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Tex-Con-Man
That photo makes it look like Joe is seeking to be recognized for a “point of order”.

Hmmm. I thought he was saying "Use this finger to dial 911 if you suspect child sexual abuse."

6 posted on 07/22/2012 12:01:20 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

If Emmert for a ahead with this, Penn State will get an injunction and sue the NCAA, and win.


7 posted on 07/22/2012 12:01:48 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan
If Penn State did as you described, the public would rightfully view them as defending a pedophile victims recruiting program. Even bigger PR disaster than now.
8 posted on 07/22/2012 12:06:41 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Scoutmaster
Hmmm. I thought he was saying "Use this finger to dial 911 if you suspect child sexual abuse."

How would he know?

9 posted on 07/22/2012 12:09:30 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: SeaHawkFan

There is no “Penn State.” For the next few decades, its informal name will remain “Pedo State” amongst college football fans. That’s a pretty severe punishment in its own right.


10 posted on 07/22/2012 12:10:45 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: SeaHawkFan

There is no “Penn State.” For the next few decades, its informal name will remain “Pedo State” amongst college football fans. That’s a pretty severe punishment in its own right.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 12:11:02 PM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: Zakeet

The stadium will be razed and the ground salted?


12 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:11 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: Zakeet

Why do they stop at Penn State. Lets disband the NCAA and end all college sports. Better yet, lets confiscate all the betting money and put it into ACORN...


13 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:23 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Can you imagine what information Penn State would rightfully demand concerning improper sexual allegations at all member schools? There is a lot of it going on; especially lesbian sexual coercion by coaches on female athletes.


14 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:30 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Goldsborough

15 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:39 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Zakeet
testing the 'wind'?
16 posted on 07/22/2012 12:12:39 PM PDT by QT3.14 (ZeroCare Death Panels = Shovel-ready projects)
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To: SeaHawkFan

Oh, spare us.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 12:22:19 PM PDT by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
How would he know?

He had a death bed meeting with Pedobear.

18 posted on 07/22/2012 12:23:42 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Zakeet

Joe and Sandusky will become icons of the gay community. Let them march in their disgusting parades and all normal people will eventually realize same-sex rape of young boys is what yet remains in their closet. Keep outing gays on this issue and eventually they can be forced to shut their coprophilic mouths.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 12:36:18 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The failures at PSU, including those of Paterno are egregious, and sanctions are in order. But what really pi$$es me off with all the holier-than-thou frauds calling for the virtual nuking of Happy Valley from Potters Mills to Bellefonte is their SELECTIVE outrage.

In the length of time that 10+ young boys were being molested by Sandusky, MULTIPLE MILLIONS of helpless, innocent unborn infants were SLAUGHTERED wholesale, with not so much as a peep of protest by the new athletics clergy. A corrolary to that is the SCREAMING OUTRAGE by some against the cruelty to DOGS; but at the same time, only the sound of crickets in response to the SLAUGHTER of helpless human babies!

Sandusky’s activities were atrocious, and should be and are being punished severely. But those abused boys had YEARS of opportunities in which to report what was going on. They had legs to run on and air in their lungs with which to scream bloody murder....but they didn’t. The MILLIONS of butchered babies could not speak out or run away. But who gives a crap about THEM?

Therefore, I’ll consider most of it a phoney crock until I see some sense of PROPORTION from the new, self-appointed Athletic Clergy.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 12:45:04 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The failures at PSU, including those of Paterno are egregious, and sanctions are in order. But what really pi$$es me off with all the holier-than-thou frauds calling for the virtual nuking of Happy Valley from Potters Mills to Bellefonte is their SELECTIVE outrage.

In the length of time that 10+ young boys were being molested by Sandusky, MULTIPLE MILLIONS of helpless, innocent unborn infants were SLAUGHTERED wholesale, with not so much as a peep of protest by the new athletics clergy. A corrolary to that is the SCREAMING OUTRAGE by some against the cruelty to DOGS; but at the same time, only the sound of crickets in response to the SLAUGHTER of helpless human babies!

Sandusky’s activities were atrocious, and should be and are being punished severely. But those abused boys had YEARS of opportunities in which to report what was going on. They had legs to run on and air in their lungs with which to scream bloody murder....but they didn’t. The MILLIONS of butchered babies could not speak out or run away. But who gives a crap about THEM?

Therefore, I’ll consider most of it a phoney crock until I see some sense of PROPORTION from the new, self-appointed Athletic Clergy.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 12:45:07 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: Zakeet
I seem to remember Penn state's president declaring his goal was to make Happy Valley the most gay friendly campus in the nation

It seems he didn't have much work to do

I wonder if that is in part why this was allowed to go on and on?

“the most gay friendly campus in the nation”

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22 posted on 07/22/2012 12:46:20 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Zakeet

Send everyone at the school who was associated with the cover-up of the raping homo-pederast to hard time prison.

That way they can experience first hand what it is like to play pitch and catch with someone more physically powerful.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 12:46:38 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: Zakeet

I am curious about the rest of the school. Will there still be this enormous effort to be “the most gay friendly campus in America?”


24 posted on 07/22/2012 12:55:18 PM PDT by mom.mom
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To: SeaHawkFan
There is a lot of it going on; especially lesbian sexual coercion by coaches on female athletes.

College students are adults who are free to consent or decline any sexual activity, even coerced lesbianism.

25 posted on 07/22/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: SeaHawkFan

If Emmert for a ahead with this, Penn State will get an injunction and sue the NCAA, and win.

Good luck with that.
The courts rarely if ever go against the NCAA..


26 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:07 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Scoutmaster

Hmmm. I thought he was saying “Use this finger to dial 911 if you suspect child sexual abuse.”

Or “Hey little boy...pull Uncle Joe’s finger.”


27 posted on 07/22/2012 1:13:32 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Kill all PSU sports (male and female) for 10 years. Let the students transfer without prejudice. Fire all coaches and staffs. Let PSU reapply for reinstatement, one sport per year, after 10 years.

Sports must die at PSU to kill the cash cow that enables all of this sick behavior. Use PSU as an example and make them financially bleed. Only that will get their attention and accomplish change. [And, the victims should sue those who knew, the university board of regents, and PSU into oblivion.]


28 posted on 07/22/2012 1:19:23 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: MasterGunner01
The only thing I would add to that is the victims and their parents get to bulldoze the stadium and locker room.
29 posted on 07/22/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The courts rarely if ever go against the NCAA.

Jerry Tarkanian and Rick Neuhiesal kicked its but in litigation. Emmert was the President of the University of Washington when the school and the NCAA lost big to him. In fact, the NCAA loses much more often than when it wins.

To think Penn State would not win in a law suit is naive, especially when this type of situation is not covered by any NCAA rule. Do you really think Penn State will accept any severe punishment that would destroy its entire athletic department?

30 posted on 07/22/2012 1:29:31 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SECURE AMERICA
The courts rarely if ever go against the NCAA.

Jerry Tarkanian and Rick Neuhiesal kicked its but in litigation. Emmert was the President of the University of Washington when the school and the NCAA lost big to him. In fact, the NCAA loses much more often than when it wins.

To think Penn State would not win in a law suit is naive, especially when this type of situation is not covered by any NCAA rule. Do you really think Penn State will accept any severe punishment that would destroy its entire athletic department?

31 posted on 07/22/2012 1:29:45 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Zakeet

What makes anybody think the same thing wouldn’t have happened at most FB power schools

All organizations try and cover up scandals from big business to the schools to the churches and on and on

Punishing PA State will send a warning for the near term but memories are short


32 posted on 07/22/2012 1:37:14 PM PDT by uncbob
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To: Goldsborough

Recruiting athletes for Penn State has to be one of the toughest jobs in the country right now.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 1:39:36 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
To think Penn State would not win in a law suit is naive, especially when this type of situation is not covered by any NCAA rule. Do you really think Penn State will accept any severe punishment that would destroy its entire athletic department?

The rumors on the Internet are saying Penn State won't appeal the NCAA's decision. We'll see.
34 posted on 07/22/2012 1:45:24 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: Tucker39

Can the dumbsh!t.

The kids did go for help, and even with a group of them it took over a decade to even get a trial. Where were you when they started? Did you help?

I have campained against abortion for the better part of four decades.

You are 0 for 2.


35 posted on 07/22/2012 1:48:07 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: dead
College students are adults who are free to consent or decline any sexual activity, even coerced lesbianism.

Are you claiming that a coach who controls playing time should be able to coerce a woman into a lesbian relationship in exchange for playing time?

I know of at least four female women's coaches who were fired for having sex with players; along with substantial monetary awards to the victims.

36 posted on 07/22/2012 1:57:16 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Ticonderoga34
The rumors on the Internet are saying Penn State won't appeal the NCAA's decision. We'll see.

If that is the case, the sanctions will be minor. Maybe a few scholarships and a post-season ban for one year; like Penn State is going to qualify for a bowl this next season in the first place.

37 posted on 07/22/2012 2:02:16 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Neoliberalnot

There’s plenty of disgusting writings in this vein. It is a shame to the English language (or any other language) that it was used for such a purpose. Of course then the flaming paraders holler “oh, that’s not us!” on their way to their internet and personal trysts with all ages.


38 posted on 07/22/2012 3:22:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: SeaHawkFan

Will Ped State even be viewed as a desired team to be on by the new crop of high school athletes?


39 posted on 07/22/2012 3:25:24 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

From what I have read, recruiting has been pretty good. Doesn’t hurt that the new coach was a top-notch NFL assistant with great character (supposedly).


40 posted on 07/22/2012 3:54:46 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

I would have wanted to see a break from the old Penn logotyping and everything. Something like A Brand New Penn Writes Clean. The old legacy needs to be flushed like ordure because of the taint.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 4:03:38 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: HiTech RedNeck
A Brand New Penn Writes Clean

No, no, no. "Penn" is shortened name of the University of Pennsylvania, from the Ivy League. You can't ever refer to Penn State as "Penn."

However, Penn's motto may tell us a little about Penn State: Leges sine moribus vanae, which translates to "Laws without morals are useless."

42 posted on 07/22/2012 4:28:36 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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Paterno should be stripped of all victories since 1998, when allegedly he first knew about Sandusky.

C'mon, that's ridiculous. I'm no Penn State fan, but those victories were not achieved by gaining an unfair competitive advantage on the field by violating NCAA rules, or at least that's not what the NCAA is coming down on them for.

It's the NCAA here that's sticking its collective noses into a matter that's beyond its historical jurisdiction. The NCAA should confine itself to enforcement of its own rules to penalize behavior on the part of coaches, athletes and administrators that logically gives an unfair competitive advantage to one school over its opponent or opponents.

This Penn State mess is a matter of violations of the state criminal code, not the NCAA rules. The penalties for the guilty should therefore be meted out by the state criminal courts, not the NCAA.

This is not the first time that a college coach or administrator or athlete has been involved in criminal activity concerning "off the field" matters, activity which does not relate to winning and losing athletic contests. Yet, I don't know of any such case where the NCAA has intervened with penalties against the whole school.

There are state and federal criminal courts, and then there are NCAA enforcement procedures. Their jurisdictions are different and should be. In this case, throw a penalty flag at the NCAA and give them fifteen yards for piling on!

43 posted on 07/22/2012 4:31:15 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

It would have been a better situation, sir, if Sandusky had been robbing banks and Paterno driving the getaway car.

Good sports is about wholesomeness. Sandusky didn’t steal money. He stole lives of boys by hollowing them out for a few moments of perverted pleasure. NCAA can and does apply sanctions of shame, maybe not with studied uniformity, but it’s got the right.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 4:36:19 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: SeaHawkFan
To think Penn State would not win in a law suit is naive, especially when this type of situation is not covered by any NCAA rule

You may be the least serious person I've seen posting on this topic. First, PSU is a willing member of the NCAA, a private organization. Not all colleges and universities are members of the NCAA, for various reasons. The NCAA can figuratively take the ball away from PSU and say "hey, play all you want, just not with us". Do you not get that?

Second, as to your comment about breaking any NCAA rule. Why don't you just google "ncaa bylaws" and check? Oh, never mind, I already did. Please note section 2.4 (page 4 for your convenience):

http://www.ncaapublications.com/DownloadPublication.aspx?download=D112.pdf

You know absolutely nothing of which you speak, and you are wasting bandwidth.

45 posted on 07/22/2012 5:14:34 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Nuke it from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.


46 posted on 07/22/2012 5:18:22 PM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
NCAA can and does apply sanctions of shame, maybe not with studied uniformity, but it’s got the right.

Penn State has already suffered its share of shame, and deservedly so. They will likely suffer more than the usual amount of football player transfers to other schools, and they will incur a stigma which will likely work to their disadvantage in recruiting for a few years.

The NCAA is not omnipotent and their jurisdiction is not unlimited, as several court cases, including one involving former UNLV basketball coach Jerry Tarkanian, prove.

And that's the way it should be. The NCAA is piling on. (Remember, I'm no Penn State fan.)

47 posted on 07/22/2012 5:18:32 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93

Pfah, it’s just a little embarrassment.


48 posted on 07/22/2012 5:35:12 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: justiceseeker93

The NCAA is using the catch all phrase of ‘loss of institutional control’ which in their mind is the biggest crime. When a University President can’t fire a football coach (as happened in ‘04) or the AD reports back to him that JoePa doesn’t want to call the police. Then you have lost institutional control.


49 posted on 07/22/2012 5:38:58 PM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: justiceseeker93

I believe you are mistaken. Tarkanian received injunctive relief from Nevada courts, but the SCOTUS eventually ruled in favor of the NCAA. Tarkanian “prevailed” in the sense that he continued to work as the case serpentined through the justice system.

It is a simple fact that the NCAA is not beholden to 14th amendment obligations to due process, and may indeed apply whatever force necessary to maintain its integrity.

I, too, am an ambivalent observer with respect to passions (or lack thereof) surrounding Penn State and its football program. Imagine you started a neighborhood cribbage league and discovered the couple next door was dealing crack to the local youth. Do you honestly think you would be prohibited from telling the couple to go to hell and not come back? That is the NCAA writ microscopic. They have omnipotent jurisdiction over their membership when it comes to issues involving activities associated with that membership.


50 posted on 07/22/2012 5:45:54 PM PDT by Mr. Bird
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