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A loving mother's advice: Hit the road, son (How I convinced my son to leave home)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 08/07/2012 | Kerry Madden

Posted on 08/07/2012 7:11:58 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I love my son dearly, and I was looking forward to seeing him, but I couldn't face another summer living with him.

For six months, it had been an ongoing topic of discussion. But by May of this year it was abundantly clear that the time had come for our 23-year-old son, Flannery, a UCSB graduate in film, to get a place of his own.

I live and teach creative writing to college students in Alabama during the academic year. It's not ideal living 2,200 miles from my husband, but it's what we do to make a dent in the $100,000 in college debt we owe for our kids. My husband teaches second grade in LAUSD, and I come home for summers. I love my son dearly, and was looking forward to seeing him, but I couldn't face another summer living with him.

When my school year ended, Flannery flew to Birmingham to drive home to California with me. I was excited about the road trip, which would also include his 21-year-old sister, Lucy, who'd flown in from school in New York, and their 13-year-old sister, Norah, who lives with me in Alabama during the school year. But I had braced myself to stay firm about Flannery's moving out.

In Alabama I don't worry as much about him. An actor-director-musician-screenwriter, Flannery lives an artistic life, etched in a noir palette of late-night L.A. It had been a relief to be far away from the ignored texts, thumping band practice and driveway cleanup after raucous parties. To clean up one post-midnight mess, I poured steaming water on the cement, while three raccoons rose up like misty figures from a Miyazaki film to observe the driveway debauchery.

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: adulthood; emptynest; generationy; manhood; parenting
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1 posted on 08/07/2012 7:12:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Stop breast feeding him..... just kidding


2 posted on 08/07/2012 7:14:00 AM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: SeekAndFind
I've never yet met anyone with a degree in film that wasn't gay.

Flannery will make a fine fluffer.

3 posted on 08/07/2012 7:18:11 AM PDT by jboot (OPSEC. It's a killjoy, but it may save your life someday.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Many, many years ago, I stayed with my parents for a few months after leaving the service. When I told my father I was moving out, he simply said “Make it work because you are not moving back in.” From that point on, it never entered my mind to move back home. I knew my father cared for me but he was serious. When I moved out, my mother asked for the key to the house. That really hit me hard.....for about five minutes. I knew they were doing the best thing for me. It wasn’t easy, at times, but I made it work. Tough love works. I had to borrow $500 from my father once. My mother told me that until I payed him back, he would never loan me another dime. He never asked for the money but I payed him back in 30 days. I even got a second job.


4 posted on 08/07/2012 7:19:45 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDMeDmV0ufU)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't waste your time going there to read this drivel- here is the money shot:

Somewhere after Flagstaff, Flannery finally raised the subject: "You sure you want me to move? I need to tell this guy if I want the sublet." [answer: yes, definitely]

that's how she did it. It must have been horrifying

5 posted on 08/07/2012 7:22:35 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: RC2

Success as a parent means raising your child to be independent and you are that. It is a good thing. I am proud of you and your parents. Keep it a life lesson.


6 posted on 08/07/2012 7:23:35 AM PDT by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: SeekAndFind
13-year-old sister, Norah, who lives with me in Alabama during the school year.

Interesting that the parents could have chosen either California or Alabama for their daughter to attend school, and chose Birmingham. (The 13 year old could have stayed with her father, a grade school teacher, since he had the same work/school schedule.)

7 posted on 08/07/2012 7:26:49 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: SeekAndFind
100,000 in college debt we owe for our kids

Kid is a film major. Parents spent what amounts to a house mortgage, for him to pursue a hobby.

And now, they're not satisfied with the result? Imagine that.

8 posted on 08/07/2012 7:31:14 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind
Hmmmm......
She's a LIB, teaching creative writing to college students in Alabama.
He's a LIB, teaching second grade in LA.
They live 2,400 miles apart "Just to pay off the kids' $100,000 college loans"
Junior has a LIB degree in films from a LIB college, and mom want to boot his sorry 23 year old butt out the door.

And I should give a rip because????????

9 posted on 08/07/2012 7:33:13 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money (I SAY WE GET RID OF EVERYBODY IN ALL 3 BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT AND START OVER!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Many years ago I stayed "at home" a little longer than was typical at the time.I did it partially to help my Dad,who had been widowed a few years before,and partially to save money.My Dad put conditions on my staying there,the biggest,by far,was that I had to put money in the bank,something I had always done (my Dad always taught me to save and to live below my means,as he did).When I left I put an 80% down payment on a nice little place in a desirable suburb,had it fully paid off 4 years later (that "saving" thing again) and sold it 20 years later for almost 5 times what I paid for it.

A kid who's willing to do anything like that is OK,IMO...but I know that many (but not all) of today's kids are pretty lazy.

10 posted on 08/07/2012 7:34:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: RC2
Many, many years ago, I stayed with my parents for a few months

I did the same, right after college. Worked part-time for a few months while looking for a permanent gig.

The *second* that I got a full-time job, I was perusing the ads for a new apartment. Literally got a job one week, went apartment hunting the next weekend, moved out the following weekend.

Beyond a limited-term thing (like us), or an emergency ... why any young adult would choose to live with their parents is beyond me.

11 posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:06 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Breto

If she did breast feed this 29 year old, would it be just as appalling as if she were to clean up his puke on the driveway after one of his “raucous parties”?


12 posted on 08/07/2012 7:37:31 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Graduated on a Friday and was at work the following week. With a high school degree the best I could do was share an apt with my cousin. After staying through the summer I went from lackey job to lackey job. Decided this wasn't going to cut it so decided I needed more education. No way my parents could afford that so I took the only course I saw that would get me there. June 22,1967 I got off a bus to the abusive shouts of a drill instructor. Worked for me!!!
13 posted on 08/07/2012 7:43:53 AM PDT by ontap
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To: SeekAndFind
Flannery ?

Even Peyote fried California brains don't come up with that ?

Concieved at night in the desert under a flannel blanket ?

Just sayin' ....

14 posted on 08/07/2012 7:44:16 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Saving money makes sense (see my previous post). Mom and Dad's opinion was "You're working part time, why go into hock (or work 2-3 jobs) just to have an apartment? Live with us for a bit, save your money, get a fulltime job, and then move on."

It was sensible advice, as it was nice not to be starting out in a hole.

But long term? Or permanently? No way.

I'm still not getting over paying 100K for a film major. When would they start to see a return on that kind of investment?

15 posted on 08/07/2012 7:44:46 AM PDT by wbill
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To: SeekAndFind
From the time our two sons were approaching puberty, they were advised (lovingly) that when they graduated from high school they would: a) get a job and their own apt; b) join the military; or c) go on to college - as a boarding student. Whichever they chose, they would not be living at home any more. We would help with expenses as necessary, and we did.

After graduating from college, number one son lived at home long enough to save up for an engagement ring for his beloved - then he was in his own apartment, paying his own bills. What better training for marriage?

We often came home from work to find our refrigerator had been raided by number two son - the chef. And when it came time for him to buy his own restaurant, he knew where to come for help. “Can I borrow $200,000?” We still laugh about that! We did what we could and for the last 13 years he and his wife have run a successful business.

I honestly believe that preparing them from early on to leave the nest was among the best things we did for them.

16 posted on 08/07/2012 7:45:40 AM PDT by PA BOOKENDS
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To: RC2

Well, I’m glad that worked for you and your family, but life isn’t a one size fits all proposition. I could never treat anyone in my family that way.


17 posted on 08/07/2012 7:52:46 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: SeekAndFind

On Married With Children, the daughter came in one day and asked about a junk car, “What’s that, in the front yard?”

The dad said, “Your butt when it turns 18.”


18 posted on 08/07/2012 7:52:49 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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To: wbill
My father gave me a choice: pay for college or pay for my wedding. I told him if he could help me with college, I would pay for my own wedding.

After college, I found a great guy and got engaged. My parents told me to stay home with them to save for the wedding. I was very respectful in my parent's home; paid my on everything (including food), had very few guests, and helped around the house. Most of the time, they wouldn't even know I was there.

Moved back only once: when we transitioned to Texas and I was trying to sub-lease my apartment. Longest two months of my life.

Only borrowed money once ($1,000), when medical bills devastated my family after my daughter's premature birth. It was the first bill we paid every month until it was paid in full.

I knew a few people who lingered at Mom and Dad's well into their 20's. Perpetual children.

19 posted on 08/07/2012 7:55:00 AM PDT by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: jboot

Francis Coppola and Martin Scorsese both are both film school graduates. Do you think they are fluffers?


20 posted on 08/07/2012 7:55:46 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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