Long Form Birth Certificate (LFBC) Forgery Detection for Dummies

SCRIBD ^ | 7/27/12 | Baron von Kluge

[Triple]

Then post it...

Many experts have looked at this, the combination of artifacts in that file preclude the possibility that it was created from a scan of a paper document.

You could be rich and famous if you can do it...

[muawiyah]

The original paper document created back in 1960 may be in a landfill near the hospital. Go dig it up eh!

We are dealing with competing technologies ~ photography ~ and - digital imaging.

Photostats, microfilm, microfiche, and photos are based on old fashioned late 18th century technology. Xerography ~ including most of the digital scanning technology ~ and your typical digital or laser printer all rely on pixel.

Regarding paper, you might think it is smooth ~ but it's actually quite fibrous and it absorbs different amounts of humidity from the air at different points and ends up being quite rough textured at the degree of fineness detectable with your typical scanners these days.

So, you are comparing apples and oranges ~ both of which were used in controlling birth certificates and other public records ~ and then you are demanding a level of performance out of some quite ordinary low acid paper for a very long time ~

Whatever these guys are telling you about one or the other types of scanning, find out how it performs with different sorts of paper, under different light, and different temperature and humidity.

[muawiyah]

BTW, a number of better known and more experienced experts who regularly post on FR have also examined the issues raised about scanning and given you a different sort of answer.

You really need to read the stuff on FR going back 4 years ~ lots of good stuff there ~

[Triple]

I keep up - thanks.

Use a similar color document - say a cancelled check, cut away the parts with scissors that you want to keep private. You don’t need the actual certificate to duplicate the scanning artifacts present.

Scan the document and post the PDF noting the settings and procedures you used to create it. I’m telling you - if you have the knowhow to actually shut down the “birthers” you are going to be as rich and famous as you want to be.

[Triple]

So we are clear - You contend that the WHLFCOLB.PDF is a true color scan of a paper copy of a document that was originally created with a printed form with typewritten and hand written text added.

You also contend that you can duplicate the characteristics of the file WHLFCOLB.PDF such as layering, color abberations (absent), grouping of content in layers by logical text, bit characteristics of layers, green and black handwritten text, pixel size differences, exact duplicate letters, different size letters, masking characteristics (layer monckton findings) and white halo effect.

Wow - if I read you right, you are amazing. Please show us!

[muawiyah]

All of that is irrelevant. I already gave you the only clue you deserve ~ the very best forgers in the KGB can duplicate everything exactly ~ everything.

The best ones working for the CIA can do the same thing.

Trying to read the augers in modern scanning systems is as fruitless a pursuit as it can be.

[BIGLOOK]

With you on that. None exists.

[Triple]

Nice change of subject.

The “best” would have done a better job - I agree. But, Obama could only find a forger among his closest circle of trust. That is why/how the crude forgery, came to existence. Obama could not trust “the best to keep his secret.”

I know some of the people you are talking about. They are sad about the whole thing.

You have your clue in return - don’t BS me.

[N. Theknow]

Was it last week or is it this week that Donald Trump is supposed to be releasing some earth-shattering news?

[muawiyah]

Birth certificates are initiated by the board of health just about everywhere. They are not designed to be Bearer Bonds with a $200,000,000 valuation, so they are handled accordingly from the time the information is taken, until the data documents are signed, when they are filed with the office where they have to be filed, and right on through until the data on the forms is entered into a data system.

Until recent times the handling was next to casual ~ so whatever went on back in 1960 in Hawaii is as good a guess as any and we had numerous people come up with Hawaii BCs from that time, and from more recently.

Hawaii had a reputation for being super laid back with everything, so you'll need to take that up with them ~ not me.

You can believe you've found a crude forgery ~ it is as crude as a real forgery!

I'm sorry, I"ve reviewed millions of government forms with the statement "$10,000 fine or imprisonment" to believe that ordinary people under ordinary circumstances give a d....d. Unless you get a court case going no higher standards are required than "ordinary care".

America, as it turns out, is not a police state ~ not even in the maternity wards!

[Triple]

Gee thanks for the story...

I can’t help but think you are off your rocker.

[muawiyah]

Well, you are free to think whatever you think, but at the same time I KNOW you are off your rocker.

[Triple]

I know you are but what am I? (Really? Who are you pee wee herman?)