Posted on 11/07/2012 3:49:11 PM PST by MadIsh32
Really -- fo you say it's acceptable to you for "Catholics to disown those secular or cultural Catholics"?
Both are idiots and voting against their Christian beliefs.
Blaming just the 14 million Catholics who voted 0 instead of including them with the 9 million Evangelicals and 21 million Protestants/Other Christians who voted for 0 is silly -- all of these are equally culpable
as Tired pointed out, whichever group you go to -- whether Catholic or the denominations, the church-goers by and large voted against 0.
Seems like a wider morass rather than just religious view
Yup, these guys want to tell Catholic freepers to go vote D.
Post no more of your absurdity to me, as they are hardly worthy of a reply but testify to all the sophistry non-believers like you will sometimes go to in their supererogation of devotion.
quite frankly, 9 million evangelicals voting for Obama compared to 14 million is not a gnat to a camel comparison. Neither number is good, but the number of evangelicals voting for 0 is not miniscule...
Why did 9 million odd evangelicals and 21 million Protestants/Other Christians vote for Obama?
If your post claims that some of your folks are more conservative, then why this large number voting for Obama?
Instead of focusing on that, your posts are playing diversion
20% voting for Obama is still not good enough -- and there is no historical baggage to vote for the Dems.
do you have an explanation for why 9 million evangelicals voted O?
You keep on demanding an answer as to why some Catholics voted for Obama, which presupposes we are claiming all Catholics are true to their name, and the explanation is that the enemy sows tares among the wheat , or that they lack discernment (and who may engage in racism), and such were problems with the N.T. church.
So, why not focus each on our own?
Instead we have Daniel's posts here completely ignoring the 9 million evanglicals voting 0 and focusing just on the 14 mill Catholics who did -- I don't expect you to answer why 21 million Protestants/Other Christians did vote for 0, tht's for others to answer
Btw, I adjusted my #s of all...
Protestants/other Christians: 28.5 million -- includes 11 million black Protestants; 8 million white mainline Protestants; 6 million white Evangelicals; another 3.5 million minority Evangelicals/Protestants/other Christians.
Catholics: 15.5 million -- includes 10 million white Catholics, over 4.5 million Latino Catholics, 1 million black/"other" Catholics
So...Protestants/other Christians & Catholics combined to give Obama about 70% of his votes...
Catholics don't seem to need anyone to tell them to vote Democrat. The majority always has, and the majority continue to do so.
But, you'd never know that from all the posters, many of whom are Catholic, bellyaching about Evangelicals "only" going 79% for Romney.
Try laying down the bullhorn, post fewer 100 yard long screeds and actually attempt to learn something from the Evangelicals who routinely do what you so obviously long for your own sect to do.
8 posts in 15 minutes, still compulsively trying to use numbers versus percentages and making the issue of “why” versus the act, in order to obscure and avoid the issue that Catholics at 50% voted more for Obama/ 48% of Romney (exactly as the nation) than Protestants overall at 57% for Obama/ 42% Romney, and that 40% of white C’s voted for Obama versus 20%, of evangelicals, and then trying to give a break to liberal C’s by blaming “historical baggage, which actually indicts them as being more conformed to this world!
Then in a classic example of sophistry, you charge us with the very thing you are engaging in, and what we exposed.
The more you try to divert attention away from C’s being more more liberal then the more it has and will become manifest, as well as the bondage devotion to defend Rome can lead to, no matter how unreasonable.
Take a break.
> I didn’t see the article blaming evangelicals.<
As MM evidences, apparently you and i see differently: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2956727/posts?page=136#136
Well warranted.
ToT, re: posts 138-147.....
I rest my case.
Note that Pew says they will provide more further data after it become available. They must be amazed at how many FR pages link to them, as do Google searches on this issue, as well as others.
To me, here's what it looks like is happening here:
After the election, those of you who are Evangelical Christians visited FR and saw the articles blaming Evangelicals.
When the blame was (wrongfully) laid at the feet of Evangelicals, you said, "It's not us - it's the Catholics!"
Meanwhile, some of us who are Catholic visited FR and saw protestants blaming Catholics.
In defense, a Catholic pointed out the actual number of protestants vs. the actual number of Catholics who voted Dem. That's a valid point, imho: There are percentages, and then there are actual numbers.
But, in the end, the majority of protestants and the vast majority of both Evangelical Christians and church-going Catholics voted for Romney. That would be all of us here (except for the few who didn't vote at all). So, we're really not enemies here.
Can one hour in church every Sunday really compete with the bombardment of leftist drivel every day on television, in schools, on the internet, etc.? Many of the people sitting in the pews with us on Sundays might not even be paying attention. ;-) Maybe they just attend church out of habit.
I think in ALL cases, those who voted for obama are not taking their faith seriously.
Liberalism is so contrary to the clear teachings of Scripture that there can be no justification for voting that way.
Being *for the poor* is not justification. It is an individual responsibility which can not be foisted off on the government for our convenience.
AND, FWIW, I am absolutely sure the election was stolen, won by fraud.
(I've said this for a while -- offline re: the impact of MSM/youth culture on our youth)
The rest of your comments was, I think, a fair assessment of what I've observed as well...
If we're talking about the ratio of Catholics vs. Protestants, 'twas higher with Catholics -- even adding black Protestants; if we're talking about the bulk volume of voters, of course, Protestants, who outnumber Catholics by over 2-to-1, "weigh in" much heavier re: obama votes.
...in the end, the majority of protestants and the vast majority of both Evangelical Christians and church-going Catholics voted for Romney. That would be all of us here (except for the few who didn't vote at all). So, we're really not enemies here.
(Agreed)
I assures you that if only 20% of Catholics voted for Obama and were blamed for Romney’s loss when twice as many evangelicals voted for Obama, then we would never hear the end of it, and playing the numbers game would not be tolerated.
Looking at the numbers of the 20% who voted liberal has warrant some place, but the issue was that evangelicals were being blamed for Romney’s loss, and when it was pointed out that they were the most conservative block, and stats showed Catholics as voting twice as much for Obama, then you saw attempts to focus on the numbers of evangelicals (and give some excuse to Catholics because of “historical baggage”), which which is irrelevant as to which block is more liberal.
At least no one has called Pew research biased, which is one of the more usual responses to such stats.
Well, the statistics show that the majority of evangelicals voted for Romney, so hopefully you won’t continue to see articles here claiming otherwise.
Agreed! And if anyone seriously wants to discover the reason why such a large number of people do NOT do as they are told, they should first look at the very real human reaction to authority - obedience or rebellion. Catholics, who deliberately go against the dictates of their church, are doing it out of rebellion because they certainly know by now what is expected of them at the voting booth. That there are probably just as many clergy joined in that rebellion against the authority seems to further identify the root cause of the discrepancy.
For those of us who answer to the Lord rather than a human global overlord, we are much more likely to vote in ways that confirm our loyalty to things that are good and righteous and honoring to the Lord. I can't explain why ANY Evangelicals voted for Obama this time around except that it may only be a category to them and not a true representation of their faith.
When I answered a poll taker on the phone before the election, I was asked specifically my faith identity. I answered Evangelical Christian, and it surprised me, but she asked me to clarify if I had had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and considered myself "born again". I don't remember being asked like that before. I would really like to see the results of THAT poll. It was being conducted by a college, though I do not recall the name. Interesting.
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