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Petition started asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union
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Posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:13 PM PST by oneprolifewoman

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Of course, I don't realistically think that Texas will actually secede, but I had to laugh when I saw that this petition has started and I'm curious to see how many people sign it. Just imagine if Texas did become its own country and conservatives could find refuge there. One of the things I find so frustrating is that there is literally NOWHERE in the world that offers freedom from Big Government anymore. I don't want to live in a theocracy. I don't want to live in a nanny state. I want to live somewhere that people can be free to live as they please and just leave be left alone. Liberals have always had the option of immigrating to Canada or Europe if they crave big government (even though, of course, a lot of the ones who threatened to leave when Bush won never did follow through - they *could* have left if it was really that bad here under Bush). There isn't anywhere for conservatives to go if we don't like the way this country is going.

I really think that both sides would be happier if conservatives did have a place to go where we could be left alone and could simply stay out of liberals' attempts at social engineering through big government. Let them create their big govt programs AND pay the bill for them.

1 posted on 11/09/2012 6:58:21 PM PST by oneprolifewoman
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To: oneprolifewoman

The bigger problem is how do you fit 150 million people into Texas?


2 posted on 11/09/2012 6:59:45 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: oneprolifewoman

All those Mexican illegals that Ubama is about to legalize will vote it down.


3 posted on 11/09/2012 7:01:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Don’t ask for permission, just do it!


4 posted on 11/09/2012 7:02:24 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Texas is big, but not big enough to hold all of us who would move there if it did secede.


5 posted on 11/09/2012 7:02:25 PM PST by reflecting
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To: JoeDetweiler
The bigger problem is how do you fit 150 million people into Texas?

I can see red interior "flyover country" America becoming part of greater Texas. It's pretty much all contiguous territory.

Blue Amerika is largely disconnected enclaves.

6 posted on 11/09/2012 7:03:33 PM PST by lightman (If the Patriarchate of the East held a state like the Vatican I would apply for political asylum.)
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To: reflecting

What if they added Indian Territory, Oklahoma.


7 posted on 11/09/2012 7:03:41 PM PST by rovenstinez
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To: JoeDetweiler

Actually the whole world could fit comfortably in Texas


8 posted on 11/09/2012 7:03:56 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: oneprolifewoman
I really think that both sides would be happier if conservatives did have a place to go where we could be left alone and could simply stay out of liberals' attempts at social engineering through big government. Let them create their big govt programs AND pay the bill for them.

Galts Gulch. If Texas managed to pull it off, I'd go there. No questions asked. I would do everything, to the best of my ability, to help make Texas the greatest state in the non-union!

9 posted on 11/09/2012 7:04:07 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: oneprolifewoman

Last time I checked no one has to ask the President for permission to secede.


10 posted on 11/09/2012 7:05:02 PM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I think if Texas got the ball rolling, you would see other Red States follow. I looked at the electoral map and imagined what that might look like. Red States would have coastal regions, agriculture, oil and lots of room for growth. The Blues would be screwed as no one in their right mind would stay in NYC or LA, New England would be screwed and would love to see the illegals et al flock to western California, NY etc to get their freebies. Hasta la vista, Baybee


11 posted on 11/09/2012 7:05:06 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: oneprolifewoman

Where do I sign?


12 posted on 11/09/2012 7:05:36 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: reflecting
If we all stood "shoulder to shoulder," we could fit the entire planet of 7 billion-plus people in Jacksonville, Fla.

But they all could live comfortably in Texas.

13 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:28 PM PST by tsowellfan (Allen West for Speaker!)
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To: rovenstinez

As long as we’re “discussing it”, I would add not only Oklahoma, but Louisiana, and maybe parts of Arizona, too.


14 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:39 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: rovenstinez

As long as we’re “discussing it”, I would add not only Oklahoma, but Louisiana, and maybe parts of Arizona, too.


15 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:44 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: JoeDetweiler

The bigger problem is how do you fit 150 million people into Texas?

but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep


16 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:46 PM PST by molson209
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To: rovenstinez

As long as we’re “discussing it”, I would add not only Oklahoma, but Louisiana, and maybe parts of Arizona, too.


17 posted on 11/09/2012 7:06:52 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

We’ve got 38 EVs. That’s guaranteed EVs for the Republican nominee...it’s time Texas Republicans start putting leverage on the National GOP...Currently because of the F’d Up primary system, Texas has no voice is who is the nominee.


18 posted on 11/09/2012 7:07:01 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: oneprolifewoman

Great! They could add Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma to that petition too. That would make a pretty fair place to live as a separate country. But Texas would have to let us Okies eat Bevo. Mmm, charbroiled longhorn.


19 posted on 11/09/2012 7:07:07 PM PST by Don Carlos (01/20/2009 - Begin the Obama Interregnum. Will it ever end?)
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To: oneprolifewoman

If Texas is going to secede, they better do it quick, ‘cuz they’ll be a Blue State inside of 10 years.


20 posted on 11/09/2012 7:08:21 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: oneprolifewoman
I'm interested.

How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?

21 posted on 11/09/2012 7:08:36 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: oneprolifewoman

I have been following the Secession talk regarding Texas for years.. My Son, a Producer, is making a documentary film about it as we speak..

Texas has a more interesting option available.. Dividing into as many as 5 separate states.. It’s in the Constitution..

There is little or no chance that Texas would ever attempt to do anything, but is always fun to think about what it would be like living with a new chance at starting over.. :)


22 posted on 11/09/2012 7:09:39 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: workerbee

Wanna bet? Our demographics are no different than the blue states, but consistently we win state races, we must be doing something right...maybe the National GOP could learn something from us, if they cared.


23 posted on 11/09/2012 7:10:06 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: oneprolifewoman

“Allow?”


24 posted on 11/09/2012 7:10:33 PM PST by warchild9
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To: oneprolifewoman

I believe Texas was a republic—it was more than a state, but a country if that makes sense, `six flags’ and all that—when it agreed to join the union.
And didn’t Texicans insist on some reservation in their constitution explicitly reserving the right of secession?
I lived in San Antonio for four years as a child, a long time ago, and don’t remember my state history. Sure, they got slapped down once, but that was then and this is now. If Obama continues with his agenda and they broke off ... I’ll leave that thought hanging, along with your own thoughts on federalism. And tyranny.


25 posted on 11/09/2012 7:10:35 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives)
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To: workerbee

Not if they take away the looter’s vote. Just require than you have a real job to vote and aren’t on public assistance. Throw in being a property owner and you are safe for the foreseeable future.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 7:11:15 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: oneprolifewoman

Why would you want to ask permission? Effing git ir done!

(I’m ready to move)


27 posted on 11/09/2012 7:11:15 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Don Carlos

We could put together a country with a lot of the USA’s national resources. I support our secession if we really have become irrelevant in presidential races. The Czechs and Slovaks went their separate ways. So should the cons and libs. We get the constitution, they get Dreams From My Father.

Go Texas! Get the ball rolling!


28 posted on 11/09/2012 7:11:41 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: oneprolifewoman
.. asking Obama to allow Texas to secede from the Union


O M G  


And then .. AND THEN .. they want you to create 'an account' (with all relevant data, surely) to sign the damned thing !

< gasping >              


(just when ya think this CF can't possibly get any more absurd . . .)

29 posted on 11/09/2012 7:12:30 PM PST by tomkat
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To: dfwgator
Currently because of the F’d Up primary system, Texas has no voice is who is the nominee.

Given the states that actually decide the election would should just let Ohio and Florida pick the nominee.

30 posted on 11/09/2012 7:12:30 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: rovenstinez
Welcome! Would love to have you!

(Oklahoma is beautiful country; we visit there every year and I want to retire there).

Put the TX/OU rivalry aside, and create the strongest nation on Earth.

31 posted on 11/09/2012 7:12:35 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Riding the Long-Wave Economic Contraction, Baby!)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Are we really going down this silly path? The echo Chamber heads for extinction. This is sad.


32 posted on 11/09/2012 7:13:01 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: hopespringseternal

Mitt only won states in the primaries that he lost in the General. Having the make or break primary in a State that is actually solidly Republican eliminates the chances of Democrats cross-voting and sabotaging the process.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 7:16:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: PapaNew
How would Texas create valid deterrents and defend itself from foreign invasion including the U.S.?

Funny, you actually hit on the real problem if Texas was to become a separate country.. The invasion would be everyone trying to move there.. LOL

34 posted on 11/09/2012 7:16:51 PM PST by carlo3b (Less Government, more Fiber..)
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To: hopespringseternal; dfwgator

Okay. I owe you BOTH a steak dinner....IF....come 2024, Texas is still considered Repbub/conservative.

That is, of course, unless it has become it’s own sovereign nation.

HA
HA


35 posted on 11/09/2012 7:16:51 PM PST by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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To: concerned about politics

Me too. I would even make my own job stopping illegals and liberals from entering the new nation by aiming a gun at their heads at the border.


36 posted on 11/09/2012 7:18:21 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: RIghtwardHo

I don’t know. The last time tried it failed because it was viewed as not legal, there were no court challenges. a group of states declared war on the central government. In fact, there is nothing in the constitution that says you cannot leave. I think under a few amendments like the 1st, a legitimate challenge could be made and it would be adios MF in a fair world.

I’ve frankly had it. I don’t wish to be led around by a group of no man zone cities full of moochers who aided by fraudulent vote counts dictate what is going to happen to those who happen to be less in number but more disbursed.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 7:19:46 PM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I am in favor of holding State Constitutional Conventions, splitting the former USA into economic regions, and each region taking with them their proportionate, (based on population), share of the former USA National Debt.

North Dakota to Texas could be one region, the States contiguous to the State Of New York might be another, etc.

BTW, if you drove from the Louisiana-Texas border to Los Angeles, when you got half way there you would still be in TEXAS!


38 posted on 11/09/2012 7:21:06 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: gorush

Sad, isn’t it. That anyone would think they’d have to ask obama’s permission. This proves this country is done with.


39 posted on 11/09/2012 7:21:40 PM PST by Terry Mross (Once again I wasted my vote. But I have learned my lesson.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

That’s not how to secede! This is how to secede:

AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union between the State of North Carolina and the other States united with her, under the compact of government entitled “The Constitution of the United States.”

We, the people of the State of North Carolina in convention assembled, do declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the ordinance adopted by the State of North Carolina in the convention of 1789, whereby the Constitution of the United States was ratified and adopted, and also all acts and parts of acts of the General Assembly ratifying and adopting amendments to the said Constitution, are hereby repealed, rescinded, and abrogated.

We do further declare and ordain, That the union now subsisting between the State of North Carolina and the other States, under the title of the United States of America, is hereby dissolved, and that the State of North Carolina is in full possession and exercise of all those rights of sovereignty which belong and appertain to a free and independent State.

Done in convention at the city of Raleigh, this the 20th day of May, in the year of our Lord 1861, and in the eighty-fifth year of the independence of said State.

OR:
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

Do note in both cases, nobody asked permission.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 7:22:00 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: oneprolifewoman

Go Texas!

Though 90% of my life has been in NJ, MA and ME ... from 3 to 6 I lived there. In my heart - it’s home. Frogs, snakes - rainbow, coral, rattlers, garden and water mocassins, turtles - painted, box and snapping, scorpions, walking sticks, bullfrogs, armadillos, fire ants, icicles and hail but no snow.

Texas is already it’s own country, why not formalize it?

Add Puerto Rico, and Obama would still has 57.


41 posted on 11/09/2012 7:23:05 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: HannibalHamlinJr

“would still have” ... damn autospell.


42 posted on 11/09/2012 7:24:39 PM PST by HannibalHamlinJr
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To: oneprolifewoman

The dominoes would start falling towards an avalanche of states and people who don’t want anything to do with this federal govt. We could call ours the New States of America and they could call theirs New Africa.


43 posted on 11/09/2012 7:25:29 PM PST by Bullish (The stench from this amateur regime stinks all the way to Kenya.)
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To: molson209
"but how much of Texas is federal land ,that Obama would keep?"

None, if Texas does secede. All the land would still be part of Texas, so none of it could be rightfully claimed by the fedgov.

44 posted on 11/09/2012 7:26:03 PM PST by Aarchaeus (V)
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To: oneprolifewoman

I don’t suppose 40% of New Jersey would be allowed to go . . .


45 posted on 11/09/2012 7:26:08 PM PST by adc
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To: oneprolifewoman

So let’s get it going. Let’s start a peaceful movement to have the Red areas secede from the Blue areas. Let’s do it. It’s like we’re in a bad marriage. Nobody wants it, but they stay in it out of fear and a misguided sense of duty. The fact is that we conservatives simply don’t have enough in common with the liberals to successfully share a polity with them. We’ll all be better off if we divide the United States along red-blue lines. Look at the county-by-county electoral map for this last election. It’s really quite stark. We conservatives would get most of it. And we’d run up against “red” areas in Canada. What’s more, we’d be shut of the deep-blue areas like Detroit, CT, VT, etc. We’d never have to hear from Bill Maher, Michael Moore or Barney Frank every again. And they wouldn’t have to deal with us. Let’s do it.


46 posted on 11/09/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I think you’re right and what’s wrong with the idea. Nothing says we have to live together. Why should one third of the states get to dictate to the rest who will be president. Let them have their socialism. I see the country breaking up into three. The northeast and great lakes states, the west coast and the rest. That was the beauty of the system the founders set up. If you don’t like what your state is doing move to another more to your liking. I’d be all for it because I only see the two sides becoming more and more divided which will only lead to conflict. I would hope that my state of Colorado would join with the red but lately it’s looking pretty blue.


47 posted on 11/09/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by albionin
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To: workerbee
I seriously doubt there will be many red states at all in ten years.

At some point everyone will realize there really is no point in actually struggling to keep a real job, say screw it and at best go to "work" in some mindless government "job".

But you are the delusional one if you think anyone can hold all this together once the party is over the way it is about to be in Greece. And the looters will lead the way.

48 posted on 11/09/2012 7:27:41 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: TheWriterTX

” - - - Put the TX/OU rivalry aside - - - . “

REALITY CHECK: Usually the OU Sooners Football Team Roster has > 50 % of the players who were born in TEXAS!


49 posted on 11/09/2012 7:27:55 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: JoeDetweiler

If Texas goes, at least another 20 states will go too.
Lots of room.


50 posted on 11/09/2012 7:28:34 PM PST by buwaya
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