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Thinking of purchasing SHTF food and silver (total VANITY)

Posted on 11/13/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by bayliving

Ok, I come here looking for help and advice.


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KEYWORDS: emergencyprep; eotwawki; preppers; prepping; shtf; silver; survival
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To: bayliving

Go to walmart.com and search for Augason Farms
They sell hard wheat in pails
(this can be sprouted or ground for flour but you need a hand grinder to make flour)
They also sell powdered eggs , powdered milk , powdered butter in number 10 cans


do not buy their sugar - overpriced and you can do better getting buckets and storing your own from the grocery if they have a sale (no oxygen packs for sugar as it will get hard as a rock )
do not buy their rice - again you can do much better getting buckets and storing your own - add bay leaves before you pack
beans - same thing add bay leaves before packing
You can order bags and oxygen packs from amazon.com

that’s pretty much all the prepacked stuff I buy as I dehydrate my own stuff to use on a regular basis as I pick it up in season and I don’t stock stuff my family won’t eat .

You really can not get advice like this from others though as these things need to be tailored to your own family .
While I would not buy the premixed stuff because I am used to cooking from scratch it might be totally different for you.

Oh one more thing make sure you stash away some salt
I haven’t had to buy any in many years as it never goes bad and I got a whole lot of it one year free with coupons when it went on sale .


51 posted on 11/13/2012 5:17:06 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: bayliving

Look what is happening right before your eyes and take heed. There’s a Great Storm coming you can feel it.

Listen to what the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

You either prepare and stand on your own beholden to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become thier ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholden to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand, sit, eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be shut up in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

Its your choice you can prep or you can stand around on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring you a bottle of water, a MRE, a warm banklet and a kiss for your boo-boo and maybe you can even get your picture as you stand there on the national news.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpful. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf
NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

I also like to recomend FReeper’s ChocoChipCookie Blog The Survival Mom (Please Blog Police let this one slide!) Where you can get lots of useful information like:

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/

And More

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.
Underestimation can be fatal.”


52 posted on 11/13/2012 5:19:00 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


53 posted on 11/13/2012 5:21:20 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!


54 posted on 11/13/2012 5:22:04 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: All

As a caveat, I’m not encouraging drinking but suggesting it as a valuable commodity.
A. Lincoln on whiskey:
“The lanky orator spoke of whisky, commodity of trade, in his own forefathers’ time. “Even then it was known and acknowledged that many were greatly injured by it,” Lincoln asserted. “But none seemed to think the injury arose from the use of a bad thing, but from the abuse of a very good thing. The victims of it were to be pitied and compassionated, just as are the heirs of consumption and other hereditary diseases. Their failing was treated as a misfortune and not as a crime, or even as a disgrace.”

I believe his partner Herndon had a drinking problem, and his father drank a great deal and worked him like a mule.
Moderation in all things, except zeal in defending our country.


55 posted on 11/13/2012 5:30:32 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Will_Zurmacht
Here in my part of the Redneck Redoubt a gift of chewing tobacco can earn you a friend for life, if he is out!

Once went to a race at Pocono and forgot my chew. Quietly remarked to my girlfriend what happened and had four guys offer their pouches. She's a city girl and was bowled over by how friendly everybody was.

56 posted on 11/13/2012 5:46:48 PM PST by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: bayliving
Check out the Survival Mom.
57 posted on 11/13/2012 5:51:43 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: RobertClark; bayliving
Emergency Essentials is my go-to supplier.
www.beprepared.com
I too think, water, food, warmth/shelter/fuel must be first, just after guns and ammo.
58 posted on 11/13/2012 6:24:14 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Donnafrflorida

What’s wrong with oxygen absorbers in sugar? I have 40 pounds of sugar with oxygen absorbers in mylar bags.


59 posted on 11/13/2012 6:36:24 PM PST by suthener
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To: bayliving
Lots of good advice in here. Glad you have guns/ammo covered. Consider bricks of .22LR ammo, invaluable for squirrels/rabbits and plenty potent for jacklighting deer (not advocating poaching unless it is for subsistence living in a national crisis). Also consider a crossbow and several boxes of bolts. Very quiet weapon and it is the poacher's best friend. Can be equipped with night vision optics and it becomes tough to beat. In regular legal hunting with a crossbow, I've reused the same bolt on half a dozen deer.

The bricks of .22ammo will be more valuable than silver as a barter item, as they are durable, easily portable and are also divisible down to single cartridges for trading. All these traits are hallmarks of a desirable medium of exchange.

As one other person said, a one-ounce gold coin will be useless to buy something with, as very few people can make change. If you insist on having gold, get the tiny (tenth-ounce?) coins. Also, recall that the Feds banned possession of gold during the Depression. Best storage spot I've ever seen was a friend who had an in-ground safe installed under the sump pit that handled waste from his basement bathroom. Only a brave soul unbolts the sealed cover, drains the pit, removes the grinder/ejector pump and the pit liner, and then still has to torch the door off the safe.....

Also consider mobility options. I prefer a dirt bike, because of good fuel economy and superior ability to avoid roads, which will be filled with hostile civilians or government/soldiers. All the food and gold in the world will be worthless if you get a “Maginot Line” mentality and lose your mobility. If the disruption goes on long enough, you have to assume that you WILL eventually be forced to move to a new location if local supplies are exhausted or the tactical situation gets bad (unrest, disease, etc.). 4-wheelers are ok, as you get better cargo capacity in return for less mobility. A good set-up might be one dirt bike for recon and one 4-wheeler as a follow-on cargo carrier. 4-wheeler is also good for novice riders or kids. As another poster wisely said, have the skills needed to fix/maintain survival related equipment. Basic mechanics tools, gunsmith tools and an ability to fix small engines, etc. will be great assets. If your transport craps out in the woods, the guy who can fix it on the spot is more valuable than any bag of silver coins.

And finally, I also recommend stripped AR lower receivers. You can get these for about $180 or so apiece. Recall that this is the only part of an AR rifle that is considered a firearm. Complete upper receivers are NOT firearms and neither are parts kits to finish off your lowers. These parts can be bought without restriction. Buy the lowers now, while they are still legal (in most states), you can always get uppers/parts later.

60 posted on 11/13/2012 6:49:47 PM PST by Panzerfaust
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To: suthener
What’s wrong with oxygen absorbers in sugar? I have 40 pounds of sugar with oxygen absorbers in mylar bags.

It gets hard like rock without oxygen .
You are better off storing in plastic bottles with a screw on cap . I keep mine in gallon jugs that Arizona ice tea comes in as they are pretty heavy duty and you can get almost a 5lb bag in them .

61 posted on 11/13/2012 7:45:46 PM PST by Lera (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: bayliving
Beans and rice, vacuum-sealed in mylar bags and stored in food-rated plastic buckets is cheap and a pretty good combination of protein and carbs. I would then throw in a couple of giant containers of peanut butter and (locally purchased) raw, unfiltered honey. I would also recommend a good gravity-fed water filter (the Berkey filters are a good choice - cheap "store bought" water filters are not up to the task). You might also keep an extra gallon of bleach around for purifying water.

In a true Haiti-like disaster you could probably use ammunition for barter (although many preppers don't believe in using ammo for barter for a couple of good reasons).

62 posted on 11/13/2012 8:04:50 PM PST by The Duke
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To: outofsalt
Emergency Essentials is my go-to supplier.

This! If you want bulk basics the only cheaper source is doing it yourself at the LDS cannery.
Their Years supply of grains and legumes is on sale now and shipping is a flat $12. Maybe the best deal in the US right now.
And so you know I'm not blowing smoke:

63 posted on 11/13/2012 8:28:18 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: bayliving
Two weeks plus since Sandy hit and most everyone in Rockaway is still without power, heat, running water, etc.

The Rockaway Youth Taskforce is servicing 20 high-rise apartment buildings, ranging from 6-19 stories high.

They are delivering food and supplies to the elderly and disabled who cannot find aid on their own.

They are using Heater Meals which have a shelf life up to five years.

When the going gets tough, I'd want quick, nutritious, easy-to-prepare meals ... with no cleanup afterwards.


64 posted on 11/13/2012 8:41:50 PM PST by Alice in Wonderland
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To: bayliving
We live beyond the city limits in an area that has tornadoes, ice storms and electrical outages in an all electric house.

So we already had a lot of stuff covered including 2 generators - which I have to nag Hubby into keeping them operational. When the market crashed in 2009 and gas prices went up, I knew food and everyday items like Toilet paper would be going up.

So I took money out of savings and bought a bunch of stuff we eat and purchase on a weekly or monthly basis. Lots of beans, rice, peanut butter, coffee etc. From then on I just bought extra each week and especially if the item was on sale for a good price. I just opened the last jar of $1.00 peanut butter. It now costs $2.25 in the supermarket. Of course, I have replaced it as I use it, and whenever sales have happened.

I figure as long as we keep stock 6 months to a year of the very basics we are good, since we garden for a hobby, and do some canning and preservation of our homegrown foods. Especially blessed to have several walnut trees and wild blackberries which require little effort to grow.

Any well balanced portfolio should contain about 10% precious metals, so if you have invested funds above and beyond the $4000, you might want to consider that.

I did some reading on the issues, and it does seem that silver coins are one of the best mediums to have during a currency crisis, assuming you have your basic needs for Water, food, shelter, medical, and clothing met.

Also, silver is selling less than the ratio it usually has to gold, and it is needed for manufacture of lots of stuff. It will probably be a good hedge against inflation where as your cash and stocks may loose value very quickly.

Even if your house is paid for, you will need to be able to pay your Real Estate tax. If bread costs $50.00 a loaf, just think how much they might jack up the Real Estate tax.

Any one that still has stock in the market might want to consider liquidating some of that and shifting it safer investments including precious metals.

I liquidated half of all the funds in my 401k in Nov. 2007 and parked it in treasuries, and arranged the rest to be in a defensive mode. It was a good move, and I was able to re - enter the market later, after things stabilized a bit. So it is something to think about.

65 posted on 11/13/2012 9:29:22 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bayliving
it depends on if you are starting from scratch or not? if you have short and intermediate stores and are looking for long term, your best bang for the buck is the LDS cannery. they have the cheapest prices and the longest shelf life. you go to the cannery and dry can real food. beans, rice, wheat, etc.

silver is a bit high right now, but if you are buying, your best best is your local coin shop. call a couple places near you and compare prices. you will find a better deal than online i am sure.
66 posted on 11/13/2012 9:44:53 PM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: bayliving
No. We have "city" water. However, I do live close to the bay and have a very low water table so I guess I could dig a hole and dip water out of it to sterilize.

FYI, cheaperthandirt has some cheap ceramic water filters, .5 micron i think

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-354

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/CAMP-352

all you need is a couple (of preferably food-safe) buckets to put the water in
67 posted on 11/13/2012 9:50:20 PM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: bayliving

Regarding silver or gold: Yes, most crises will be like Sandy and having food, water, generators, fuel, that sort of thing will be useful, while PMs relatively less so. Certainly running around in the midst of violent unrest with coins jangling in your pocket would be suicidal. But on the other hand, things like Sandy aren’t the only crises that are likely to happen. There are also government-induced crises such as bank holidays, when you can’t withdraw your money, and credit cards don’t work (the machines are down) and ATMs don’t work (those are also down). Even if the weather’s fine and the power’s still on, you can’t buy food or anything else, unless you have stored some cash at home. In times like that, especially if it drags on and people are starting to wonder whether the cash will still retain its value, that’s when silver for barter might come in very handy. Gold isn’t for barter, except maybe to barter yourself into a new house, but rather to store your wealth in the event of a complete currency collapse, so that you still have some tangible liquid net worth after all the paper assets and bank balances vaporize. Which they might or might not ever do, but it sure looks like it’s heading that way.


68 posted on 11/13/2012 10:00:53 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Will_Zurmacht

Thanks - looks interesting. And yes, very easily could happen here.


69 posted on 11/14/2012 1:16:28 AM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: bayliving

I think for food, buying extra canned food that you already eat is the best way to start. As for silver, check your local coin stores. I have one near me that buys and sells old non-collectable quality coins for the weight content spot price plus a small markup (10% when they sell, 5% when they buy). Dimes and quarters are the best, since people likely wont have “change”. I’ve also picked up some nice silver jewelry for Mrs. Hugin for just that price of the metal. It saves them the cost of sending it to the smeleter.


70 posted on 11/14/2012 3:08:42 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: tumblindice
I drink scotch but am stockpiling quarts of Jim Beam.

Might as well buy cheap vodka. It's about half the price of Beam, and if it gets down to it, nobody will care what they drink. There's a reason hard core drunks mostly drink vodka.

One thought, how about moonshining as a survival skill? The only drawback is it's illegal to distill alcohol now, which makes learning to do so difficult. Learing to brew beer could also come in handy.

71 posted on 11/14/2012 3:23:28 AM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: bayliving
# 1 = FOOD,,,,, store only what you normally eat

# 2 = SILVER,,, few rolls of quarters & nickels

# 3 = BARTER ITEMS,,, never trade ammo it maybe used against you later

# 4 = Never revel what items you have stored

72 posted on 11/14/2012 3:34:02 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: tickedoffnow

Consider this, gold and silver will be of little use at the beginning and during a financial collapse. Where having precious metals will shine is when the recovery is in process. Most likely the old money system will be gone with the government that supported it. Gold and silver will still have its value and can be used to re-establish your lifestyle if you survive.

Safety deposit boxes are not a good place to have anything of great value if a collapse occurs. Do a web search for “safe deposit boxes - shtf” for other opinions on safety deposit boxes. Best to keep your valuables near and secure. An intelligent person will have little trouble creating a safe place to keep their valuables.

As others have said, your survival food should be what you normally eat and most of it will last a while just as it is packaged. Buy what you need from the lowest priced places, locally or online. Just buy the best bargains. For long term storage information do a web search for “how to store *” with your commodity replacing the star. If no SHTF event occurs you will have food to eat that will have cost you less than the coming inflation prices which are rising fast.


73 posted on 11/14/2012 6:04:40 AM PST by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: grumpygresh

I bought a house with a pool for just this reason. My plan is to filter all water through a Brita filter. Drinking water will then be filtered again through a backpacking filter. Sound Good? Or is my plan flawed?


74 posted on 11/14/2012 6:36:15 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: CPT Clay

I would also boil it over fire or grill. (was my plan when I had a pool)


75 posted on 11/14/2012 6:40:47 AM PST by bonfire
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To: bayliving

a 2-3 month supply of water for each person ( and critter ) in your home.

Canned foods ( chili, stews, soups, canned tuna or chicken ) and rice / flour / beans.

a heating source ( wood stove and fire wood )

toilet paper

Medicines

alcohol and tobacco are much more valuable than silver or gold to barter with !

Also think of personal health and beauty aids ..... women’s monthly items , bar soap , deodorant ( who wants to stink so badly that they gag by smelling themselves ). etc etc

gasoline in cans ( lasts about 3 months )

a tent ( we purchased ours from panther primitives and they’re waterproof )...

medical supplies

If your wife uses coupons , now would be a good time to use them and match them up with each store’s weekly sales.
There are usually a few sites on line that do that for you already... you just have to do the easy part.. go shopping ~

just a few things from the top of my head while getting my son ready for school


76 posted on 11/14/2012 6:56:46 AM PST by simplesimon (NEVER forget Benghazi ~!)
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To: atomic_dog

Too bad food suppliers stamp their logo on the buckets. It’d be wise to repack it all into generic brown cardboard boxes and relabel it with “Susy’s baby toys” so it’s not so obvious.


77 posted on 11/14/2012 7:33:31 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: KC_Lion

NO PLUMPING!

OMG!

That’s just not fair.


78 posted on 11/14/2012 8:10:15 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: bayliving
Before you spend your hard earned money you might find this sound advice helpful:

How to Survive Hard Times

How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget: Part One

How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget: Part Two

A 30-Day Emergency Food Supply For One Adult

One-Year Emergency Food Supply For One Adult


79 posted on 11/14/2012 8:20:07 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Strange how paranoia can link up with reality now and then." -- Philip K. Dick)
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To: bayliving

Your $ would have went a lot further 6 months ago ...

Other than food... Bibles, Water, Communications (even an old CB), Fuel (for cooking), Tools, How To Books (the printed kind), Seeds (fallow now and have your Garden space ready for Spring), Toilet Paper (you will miss that a lot if you don’t have it) Imodium (see Toilet Paper), First Aid Kit, Booze.

That is a start

TT


80 posted on 11/14/2012 1:34:19 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Renfield

***** “Oh and one other valuable thing to hoard: feminine hygiene products. Most people won’t think of hoarding these, but women will want them in a crisis.” *****

Bump and Dittos (and they have multiple uses, get unscented)

TT


81 posted on 11/14/2012 2:11:24 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Stentor

Your Girlfriend didn’t chew? (did she at least dip?)

TT

(My ol Navy buddies will get this post)


82 posted on 11/14/2012 2:19:27 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: suthener

Oxygen absorbers in sugar make it rock hard. they are not needed per LDS staff and other sources i read.


83 posted on 11/14/2012 3:35:46 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: Donnafrflorida; Lera

Thanks. I did not know that.


84 posted on 11/14/2012 5:45:55 PM PST by suthener
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To: TexasTransplant
Your Girlfriend didn’t chew?

She didn't then.

85 posted on 11/14/2012 7:01:45 PM PST by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: bayliving

FWIW, I recently started stocking up on motor oil from Walmart. Dirt cheap, and will always be needed. And if the dollar collapses, as I think it it inevitably will, then oil is a hard asset and little different than silver or gold.


86 posted on 12/08/2012 6:23:05 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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