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Uncircumcised boys and men may face more UTIs
Reuters Health ^ | Fri Dec 7, 2012 5:15pm GMT | Trevor Stokes

Posted on 12/08/2012 11:49:28 AM PST by Olog-hai

Infections of the kidney, bladder and urethra happen in uncircumcised baby boys at ten times the rate of circumcised boys, and over a lifetime, uncircumcised men are four times more likely to experience one, according to a new analysis of past research.

Urinary tract infections (UTIs) are most common in boys’ first year of life, and circumcision was already known to make a difference in their risk, but how much and whether that carried through to adulthood was unclear, Australian researchers say.

They found that circumcision “provides considerable protection and over the lifespan makes about a three- to four-fold difference by our prediction, which is quite striking in public health terms,” lead study author Brian Morris, professor of molecular medical science at the Sydney Medical School, University of Sydney, told Reuters Health. …

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To: Liberty Valance
Beat me to it...

I tried finding the old Franken & Davis where one of them (supposedly) has an inoperable brain tumor and came out for one last show and kept repeating the punchline "...he only took TIPS!"

(Franken is (alas!) from Minnesota; he his a good deal more lefty than Klobuchar, who has name recognition from her father, a long-time Star Tribune columnist...while in high school she did a 1500-mile bike ride over a few weeks or a month with her dad; I bet doing that helped her into Yale. Still don't know how Franken got into Harvard: and he became a poli-sci major at that.)

Cheers!

51 posted on 12/08/2012 5:12:41 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
How stupid is that?

Unbelievable. Hopefully the doctor refuses to do it, and explains to her that she isn't a doctor but she is an idiot.
52 posted on 12/08/2012 5:13:02 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood

The doctor didn’t refuse. This occurred twelve years ago.


53 posted on 12/08/2012 5:14:40 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
The doctor didn’t refuse. This occurred twelve years ago.

Well, hopefully the doctor did not do him wrong.
54 posted on 12/08/2012 5:28:24 PM PST by microgood
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To: Tzar

The only time in my life I wish I had been circumsized was the time when I was 15 and tried on a pair of slacks ( at home ) with no underwear on . Zipppppppp ....Ouch !


56 posted on 12/08/2012 6:56:08 PM PST by sushiman
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To: sushiman

LMAO ...45 years later .


57 posted on 12/08/2012 6:57:06 PM PST by sushiman
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To: Vinnie

That is the funniest post I’ve read in many a week.


58 posted on 12/08/2012 9:07:53 PM PST by fini
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To: Olog-hai
Me, my brother, all of our uncles and our father and many other acquaintances in our home state(Arkansas, I now live in (Puke) CA)are not circumcised, none of us have ever had any of the sh** they claim we should have gotten in this article. I think they are full of crap. The skin flap on a penis is natural and has an intended purpose, cutting it off is unnatural and a results of Religious superstition rather than health reasons.

Doctors want to keep cutting because it makes more money for them.

59 posted on 12/09/2012 1:06:49 AM PST by calex59
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To: PJ-Comix
I said he would need to be circumcised since American women prefer men that way.

This is a load of crap. I am not circumcised and neither are the other males of my family. None of us have ever had any complaints from women, certainly none of them wanted us to rush out and get circumcised and, in my case at least, I was asked back for repeat performances. Keep it clean, it won't get infected.

60 posted on 12/09/2012 1:15:28 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

If you have antipathy towards what you call “religious superstition”, why did you come to a conservative website?


61 posted on 12/09/2012 1:29:05 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Jim from C-Town

Talk about side effects!

After I was circumcised I couldn’t walk and when I tried to talk all I could do was babble incoherently.

This went on for nearly two years after the procedure!


62 posted on 12/09/2012 1:42:43 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Nik Naym; All
only 2 years. :-D
many/all liberals still are...

63 posted on 12/09/2012 2:05:23 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today; who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :)
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To: calex59

American women are also gracious.


64 posted on 12/09/2012 2:22:02 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: James C. Bennett
Cut men have no idea of the loss of pleasure due to the loss of sensory feedback...

It's a brutal operation!

I couldn't walk for most of a year afterwards!

65 posted on 12/09/2012 2:34:15 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Olog-hai
Infections of the kidney, bladder and urethra happen in uncircumcised baby boys at ten times the rate of circumcised boys

Some baby boys aren't getting cleaned up properly before the new diaper goes on. Teach their mothers how to clean them, teach them hygiene when they get a little older.

And girls, front to back, no second pass.

66 posted on 12/09/2012 2:42:54 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Tzar
Actually, circumcision caught on in America after large numbers of soldiers required field circumcisions during World War One. Trench warfare caused a great deal of infections due to poor hygienic conditions in the trenches and long recovery periods and even some deaths. Ouch! Constant moisture made infections almost inevitable. As a matter of national security the War Department encouraged circumcision to avoid large numbers of soldiers off the front lines due to recovery from circumcisions after incurable infections obtained while deployed on the front lines in future wars. Doctors came home from the war and routinely performed circumcisions after 1920 or so. All men in my family born before 1918 were not circumcised; All men born after 1920 or so are. I learned this on the history channel and from several books on World War I.

Also circumcised men are not longer (wink, wink) but actually seem to "perform" longer than uncircumcised men much to women's "satisfaction". Less wham, bam thank you mam if you know what I mean. (LOL). Its all in the "continued" motion! At least that is what I've been told. (LOL) You don't ever want to hear the words, "Put down the cigarette and stop talking! Your not done yet!" Not that there is anything wrong with that! (Wink, wink) I can be reached at 1 888 867-5309. (LOL) A gentlemen always finishes what he starts!

67 posted on 12/09/2012 3:25:59 AM PST by lurked_for_a_decade
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To: Olog-hai

Ahhh, can’t summon up an argument about circumcision so you make it about religion? Circumcision is religious in nature and nothing else except for the bucks that docs get for doing it. As for being conservative, one doesn’t have to be religious to be conservative, this is a common conservative misconception. As for me, I believe in God, I don’t necessarily believe in all the aspects humans add to religion, Christian or otherwise.


68 posted on 12/09/2012 3:26:33 AM PST by calex59
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To: Olog-hai

So many hate the Jews, yet so many think they should be emulated...


69 posted on 12/09/2012 3:30:34 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Oh, really. Let me explain something to you, something you and all the idiots who claim women prefer cut men to uncut. When a man has an erection, and uncut man, his penis swells and stretches the skin pulls back and at full erection the woman cannot tell the uncut from the cut, they are identical in appearence, so, prey tell, why would they have a preference? As for women being gracious I have yet to meet a woman, American or otherwise, who is so gracious they come back for more sex with someone they don't want to have sex with.

Here's my opinion, if a grown man wants to be cut, that is his business, however he should make his decision based on what he wants not on a bunch of frickin' lies made up by people with an agenda. Two, if, as some people claim, it is the parent's rights to circumcise their male children do the muslims have the same right to circumcise their female children, slicing off their labia and clitoris? There is no difference, a child is being mutilated in the name of religion either way and both circumcisions are wrong to do to a child.

70 posted on 12/09/2012 3:35:07 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59

There is a world of difference, and if you don’t know that you are just ignorant.


71 posted on 12/09/2012 3:52:29 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Smokin' Joe
I couldn't walk for most of a year afterwards!

But were you able to chew gum at the same time?

72 posted on 12/09/2012 4:25:08 AM PST by PJ-Comix (Beware the Rip in the Space/Time Continuum)
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To: James C. Bennett
There might even be some connection between sexually unsatisfied males (due to diminished pleasure from the amputation of the sensitive foreskin) and tendency to be polygamous / fornicative - quantity over quality, and all that.

I understand it's been possibly linked to presbyopia also. /s.

Reduced pleasure? One could say that's a good thing. Imagine all the women complaining because their partner is finished when they are just getting started.

73 posted on 12/09/2012 5:19:18 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: Olog-hai

A man standing at the urinal turned to the man on his left and asked “Your Rabbi is Rabbi Cohen right?” “Yes, how did you know” he replied. “Because he cuts on the bias, and you are peeing on my leg”.


74 posted on 12/09/2012 5:28:51 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: PJ-Comix

Not for most of that time—no teeth yet.


75 posted on 12/09/2012 8:26:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade
Actually, circumcision caught on in America after large numbers of soldiers required field circumcisions during World War One. Trench warfare caused a great deal of infections due to poor hygienic conditions in the trenches and long recovery periods and even some deaths. Ouch! Constant moisture made infections almost inevitable. As a matter of national security the War Department encouraged circumcision to avoid large numbers of soldiers off the front lines due to recovery from circumcisions after incurable infections obtained while deployed on the front lines in future wars.

Well, I shudder to think what they'll recommend for women in combat, then. Sew everything shut like Muslims do, I guess?

76 posted on 12/09/2012 8:59:49 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Olog-hai

LOL, so?

Are you telling me that the tradition of a mohel sucking blood of a freshly mutilated penis is myth? I can post articles on the topic, and how it lead to the death of at least one infant recently ,if you want.

If you think I should bow down to some “cultural” traditions because they are beyond reproach in your fantasy imagination / adopted mythology, keep dreaming.


77 posted on 12/09/2012 11:31:33 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
the tradition of a mohel sucking blood of a freshly mutilated penis is myth?

Say what?

78 posted on 12/09/2012 11:33:43 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: microgood

Nonsense.


79 posted on 12/09/2012 11:38:06 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: GeronL; calex59; Mark17

Here:

Newborn dies after reportedly contracting herpes from controversial circumcision ritual

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2855490/posts

March 5, 2012

Fox News

A two-week-old infant died at a Brooklyn hospital in September after contracting herpes through a controversial religious circumcision ritual, the New York Daily News reported.

As part of the ultra-orthodox Jewish circumcision ritual—known as metzitzah b’peh—the rabbi or mohel removes blood from the wound with his mouth.

The brit milah (pronounced bris), otherwise known as circumcision, is a rite of passage in the Jewish faith, though different groups follow different sets of procedures. The Rabbinical Council of America endorses the practice of using a sterile glass tube between the mohel’s mouth and the baby’s wound for the more orthodox metzitzah b’peh procedure. For less conservative Jews, the baby’s skin only comes into contact with surgical tools.


80 posted on 12/09/2012 11:45:46 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

That is simply disturbing, another reason to own guns in my opinion


81 posted on 12/09/2012 11:49:21 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

Yup.


82 posted on 12/09/2012 11:53:16 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Is that even legal?


83 posted on 12/09/2012 12:01:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

That incident happen(ed/s) in America. I don’t know what happened to those involved subsequently.


84 posted on 12/09/2012 12:11:00 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Since you are using emotionally-charged language, I doubt your sincerity, and having seen several articles on the matter (biased and unbiased), my accusation stands.


85 posted on 12/09/2012 2:15:27 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Your accusation stands indeed, right by the public dumpster where it belongs.

“Emotionally charged language” LOL!

I mopped the floor here with your emotional senti-culty, by presenting factual arguments. It’s just that you haven’t realised it yet. Some neurons transmit slower, so I won’t blame you.


86 posted on 12/09/2012 2:21:36 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

Please stop trying to turn this place into DU.

And cut out the overt antisemitism.


87 posted on 12/09/2012 2:26:15 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: James C. Bennett

The NYDN posts overtly-antisemitic stories with great frequency. They are particularly anti-Orthodox. Only liberals take them at face value.


88 posted on 12/09/2012 2:28:01 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; GeronL

Nice try, but no sale. Your desperation is showing.

As for NYDN:

http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/three-rabbis-sue-city-over-metzitzah-bpeh/2012/10/12/

Three Rabbis Sue City over Metzitzah B’peh

Published on October 12, 2012
Written by: Yori Yanover

A lawsuit filed Thursday by Jewish organizations and three rabbis argues that a new NY City rule requiring parental consent for metzitzah b’peh, a post-circumcision ritual that involves oral suction in order to stimulate blood flow in the traumatized organ, violates the First Amendment, the NY Daily News reports.

The new rule, which take effect Oct. 21, requires mohels who perform the metzitzah b’peh to provide parents with a document they must sign, containing information about the health risks involved.

City officials say babies may contract herpes from the practice, and they cite 11 cases between 2004 and 2011, including two fatalities.

The lawsuit argues that the new rule violates the constitutional freedom of religion.

“Government cannot compel the transmission of messages that the speaker does not want to express — especially when the speaker is operating in an area of heightened First Amendment protection, such as a religious ritual,” the lawsuit argues.

City officials said they are planning to fight the suit “vigorously.”

“The city’s highest obligation is to protect its children; therefore, it is important that parents know the risks associated with the practice,” Health Commissioner Thomas Farley said.


So... NYDN or not, metzitzah b’peh is not a made-up story, but an actual religious practice. And don’t tell me next that the Jewish Press is anti-Semitic.

If you don’t see me replying to any subsequent comment from you, it’s because you made another idiotic comment that I won’t waste my time to compose a response. It will help in further weakening your case so don’t hold yourself back!

:^)


89 posted on 12/09/2012 2:51:43 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett
False conclusion from the words of that Jewish Press article, Adolf (which is only a rewording of the NYDN article). The only thing showing is your antisemitism. Obviously if you don't reply, you've fled in a typical leftist manner. Kindly keep your argumentum ad hominem off here.

Incidentally, this Talmudic thing where the kid died is alleged to have occurred sans proof. And I don’t agree with it either, if true; it certainly isn’t Biblical. It is not a legitimate excuse for your other leftist vitriol.
90 posted on 12/09/2012 3:11:23 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: James C. Bennett

Sounds pedo-like to me


91 posted on 12/09/2012 3:53:03 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: calex59; Mark17

If the myth of circumcision improving longevity of sexual intercourse by elimination of a large area of innervated tissue had any basis in truth, condoms would be marketed for increased thickness, rather than the opposite, which is what prevails - thinner condoms.

The lies that the medical community will go on to propagate to improve revenues is staggering, and the men who’ve suffered through this mutilation have no idea of their loss. Quacks out to fleece the fools, and the latter get into denial because the realisation of their loss is harder to bear.


92 posted on 12/09/2012 11:18:02 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett

BTW, he contracted the viral infection from his MOTHER, who had a cold sore. SHE testified in this and the anti-circumcision nazi’s didn’t listen. They were out to get the moyle.


93 posted on 12/10/2012 8:34:33 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie; GeronL

Yea, like that was the only incident, and as if it makes the act of a mohel orally sucking the mutilated penis of an infant all fine and dandy.


94 posted on 12/10/2012 9:53:31 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

THAT is not a real MOTHER.

When my son was cut *I* died. I swear, I’m still traumatized. He doesn’t care or remember a thing.

When I talk about it, he rolls his eyes. If it weren’t necessary to his having a covenant with G-d, I wouldn’t have done it.

No true mother can stand to see her child in pain. That is sick.


95 posted on 12/10/2012 9:53:52 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: James C. Bennett

You are speaking of an ancient practice that led to fewer infections for infants, men and the women that they later married.

Back when the practice of filling the mohel’s mouth with wine and covering the freshly circumcised penis with that wine was first done, humanity had no knowledge of bacteria. The mohel was giving the infant an antibiotic covering over the fresh wound. We didn’t know why it worked, but it did. If the mohel performed his duties well, the child wouldn’t become infected.

Anti-semites have perverted the practice. Made it sound like some sort of child molestation.

It’s not. It’s sanitation.

Now, in my mind, there is no reason for anyone but a Jew to do this. If others want to follow the example, fine. But our ways have proven sound for three thousand years and work for US. There are many more traditions that have have proven protection for our health in the long run, in addition to this one.


96 posted on 12/10/2012 10:02:39 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: James C. Bennett

“If the myth of circumcision improving longevity of sexual intercourse by elimination of a large area of innervated tissue had any basis in truth, condoms would be marketed for increased thickness, rather than the opposite, which is what prevails - thinner condoms.”

Oh, please. There are condoms with NUMBING AGENTS advertized to make a man last longer.


97 posted on 12/10/2012 10:04:42 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: Marie
When my son was cut *I* died. I swear, I’m still traumatized. He doesn’t care or remember a thing.

I don't remember, but I was told that I was unable to walk for over a year, bedridden and in diapers. ;-)
98 posted on 12/10/2012 10:16:13 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: Marie

Condoms with numbing agents are all but unknown, and nowhere near as popular as condoms that are made as thin as possible to IMPROVE sensitivity. Go to a random store and find out your odds of being able to obtain the aforementioned lidocaine-laced condoms. Also check why men avoid condoms in the first place.

The only testimony that matters is that from adults who have undergone circumcision post-sexual experience and their reporting decreasd sexual satisfaction is near unanimous, which has resulted in another lucrative surgical procedure called “reverse circumcision”.

The market speaks truths that are not manipulable, unlike subjective opinions.


99 posted on 12/10/2012 11:49:43 PM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: Marie
You are speaking of an ancient practice that led to fewer infections for infants, men and the women that they later married.

Back when the practice of filling the mohel’s mouth with wine and covering the freshly circumcised penis with that wine was first done, humanity had no knowledge of bacteria. The mohel was giving the infant an antibiotic covering over the fresh wound. We didn’t know why it worked, but it did. If the mohel performed his duties well, the child wouldn’t become infected.

Anti-semites have perverted the practice. Made it sound like some sort of child molestation.

It’s not. It’s sanitation.

Now, in my mind, there is no reason for anyone but a Jew to do this. If others want to follow the example, fine. But our ways have proven sound for three thousand years and work for US. There are many more traditions that have have proven protection for our health in the long run, in addition to this one.

Why don't you call for the stoning to death of those who disobey the "laws" of your cult as in Deutoronomy, for the sake of intellectual honesty? The Torah is "forever", after all, and doesn't it call for stoning-to-death punishments for several mundane acts? If you can disobey these, then why not the circumcision requirements? Why this selective application of the Torah? Also call for animal sacrifices while at it. Because, otherwise, you are picking and choosing tenets of your religion to your satisfaction...

100 posted on 12/11/2012 12:04:07 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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