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1 posted on 01/17/2013 9:38:33 AM PST by petercooper
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You may not have to replace the actual wiring and the panel case and power/ground bars because they’re usually aluminum or coated or plated....however, you’ll likely have to replace all the breakers and the main breaker....

I’d strip down the panel and remove the breakers and mains and look at the distribution bars, ground lugs, etc...I’d inspect the power mains cables coming in...are they aluminum, or copper? Were they coated with No-Ox? etc.....

You’re best be is to have an electrician look at it; he’ll likely do what I’ve said, any way....depending on how bad, dirty and how long it was under water, he may recommend changing out the guts of the whole thing....


2 posted on 01/17/2013 9:43:05 AM PST by Gaffer
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I’m not an electrician but as a general contractor for the past 33-years I do know a fair amount about the trade. Replace it and avoid headaches in the future.


3 posted on 01/17/2013 9:43:30 AM PST by South40
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Per the National Electrical Code, service equipment that has been immersed must be replaced.

Your local codes may vary, so check with your municipal inspector/engineer.

If it was me, I’d go ahead and replace it all, especially if it was immersed in salt water.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 9:43:35 AM PST by txeagle
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The damage was from salt water which is corrosive. You probably should replace the entire box.


5 posted on 01/17/2013 9:46:06 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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replace it. You will have problems in the future from damage done now. Avoid the headache later.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 9:51:08 AM PST by barmag25
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I think the cost estimate will depend on the size of the panel/number of breakers in it.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 9:52:28 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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Hopefully, you had insurance. What did your adjuster say?


9 posted on 01/17/2013 9:52:38 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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That was salt water, it’s toast!


11 posted on 01/17/2013 9:53:17 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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I have never been an electrician nor played one on TV. Nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night. But just wanted to say I am sorry for your troubles with Sandy damage.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 9:56:51 AM PST by NEMDF
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since you say you need an electrician to sign off on it anyway, why not ask the electrician, and not a buncha political junkies 9myself included) who may or may not know what we’re talking about otherwise.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 10:01:35 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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I’m not an electrician but as a general contractor for the past 33-years I do know a fair amount about the trade. Replace it and avoid headaches in the future.

I am a also a general contractor , and I agree with south40. Replace it all. Sorry. As far as estimated cost . . . I am in the great costly to do business state of California - so out here, it would cost $100,000.00 dollars.

15 posted on 01/17/2013 10:03:32 AM PST by builder (I don't want a piece of someone else's pie)
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I’d do as the guy in #2 said, and then turn it over to an electrician since you need one to have power restored anyway.


17 posted on 01/17/2013 10:11:07 AM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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I'm not a licensed electrician, but I am an engineer.About 10 years ago we had a mound system put in to save our failing drainage field (septic tank system). The original panel didn't have the capacity to add more breakers for the new system. The old panel was a 60amp entrance, I had a licensed contractor come in and replace the panel with a 200 amp entrance and some thirty breakers. The job took one man about a day and cost (time & material) just a tad over $1800.00. That was new panel, new breakers, we reused the meter base and entrance mast as that was all 200 amp rated.

I'm assuming that your flooded basement was full of salt water which is very conductive and could cause problems if it soaked into the insulation of an electric hot water heater. It is also corrosive and might cause problems that don't show up immediately. I would go for a new panel w/new breakers just to be on the safe side. If your local code says 200 amps by all means, use the 200 amp as it saves money down the road if you ever add more electric appliances like air conditioning, a heat pump, or electric heat.

As I said at the start my information is over ten years old, so unless you have a brother-in-law in the business expect to spend over $2,000.00...Flood insurance??

Regards,
GtG

19 posted on 01/17/2013 10:17:58 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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Always keep in mind what the lawyers will say.

“You knew this was submerged, but you didn’t replace it? Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, wouldn’t you have replaced it? Look at my poor, toasty client.”


20 posted on 01/17/2013 10:27:31 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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Yes, you must replace the entire panel AND you have to replace all wiring fro 18” above water line on down.


24 posted on 01/17/2013 10:38:24 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The only thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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Replace the panel, expensive, but the old panel will just give you fits in the future.
Continued corrosion will happen and is dangerous.
A corroded hot connection or return will generate heat and can cause a fire, a corroded ground connection can kill you.
I'm a retired oilfield electronic tech, worked on electronic equip, AC generators and etc that were exposed to saltwater.
And as another Freeper said, have the new box with space for additional breakers in the future, do it right, do it once.
Basically been there, done that.
32 posted on 01/17/2013 10:54:15 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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Not only does the entire panel and all the breakers need to be replaced, so should the meter enclosure if it was underwater. If your service entrance cable was also underwater replace that too, with copper conductors since you’re located on the ocean. Use No OX on the copper just as one would do with aluminum connections.

If you’re in a flood zone you might be required to relocate the panel above anticipated flood levels, you might consider having the main breaker installed outside in a combo meter / disconnect enclosure with a second one inside at the panel.

Make sure the service entrance cable equals the rating of the main CB. Do not install a 200 amp panel onto a 100 amp cable.

You may be required to upgrade to arc fault (AFCI) breakers for some of the circuits.

Make sure your grounding is updated - either tied into the foundation steel or two copper ground rods six feet apart, or a copper water pipe. Bond all you interior piping.

You might consider throwing in a generator transfer switch or upgrading to a panel like a Reliant that has them built in.


33 posted on 01/17/2013 10:59:12 AM PST by Sparky1776
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Replace it. Saving a few hundred and leaving the chance for problems down the road don’t compute. The new breakers will probably cost as much as the new box itself.


38 posted on 01/17/2013 11:19:58 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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The price of the panel is minor relative to the price of the set of replacement breakers and the cost of the electrician’s time. I would do like the others have suggested and just replace the whole thing.


39 posted on 01/17/2013 11:30:30 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Saltwater takes forever to evaporate, if its in the wires it will eventually corrode them. Replace the wiring etc.etc..


44 posted on 01/17/2013 4:15:55 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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