Posted on 01/20/2013 2:01:28 PM PST by JohnPDuncan
As long as the Nev Chamberlins are roaming free spouting ‘Peace in our time!’ then we are hosed. We can look to any number of examples in history showing movements destroyed from within. Conservatism will be no different.
The phrase ‘A republic if you can keep it” springs to mind. How exactly do we keep it or conservatism viable when on one thread you see calls to mocerate over abortion, on another to moderate the immigration issue, another to accept liberal candidates and campaign for them and the like?
You can’t. People just want to be able to have their liberalism and call it by another name.
Someone who believes that unborn children are persons, someone who believes marriage should be one man and one woman. Someone who believes that personal responsibility comes first and foremost - who believes in cutting spending on entitlements. Someone who believes we shouldn’t be spending more than we take in - and that taxes should be taken off consumption and not production.
That’s the basics right there.
I think your wrong as I have stated, Rand Paul is as socially conservative as they come. He is against abortion with no exceptions and supports a Life at Conception Act, he’s a christian conservative but he just thinks you dont want to look for the Feds for solutions, look to your own church and state.
He is also for a strong national defense - as authorized in the constitution but he rejects overseas spending. Bring that money home and spend it here or give it back through tax cuts. That doesn’t mean weak defense. Rand has said he supports missile defense for cities and states and may support building one rather than worrying about other countries security.
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The more I read about small l libertarianism, the more I like it. It is the epitome of conservatism on an economic and governing level. I would love to see us stop our overseas adventuring and focus on defense and border security. My children and I were discussing libertarianism last night and the conversation was restarted with this thread.
I have been interested in this place since I read some Hayak and some of Maybury. Also Sowell’s Basic Econmics helped although I cannot say he is libertarian.
Please cite the Constitutional provision....
Reynolds vs the US is the case you are looking for.
Same section as trial by jury and habeaus corpus. The definition of marriage as one man and one woman comes from the English Common Law which was incorporated before the Constitution even existed in the 13 colonies.
Who issues marriage licenses? The State or the FedGov?
Wow, I'll give you kudos for knowing that case, however you don't know WTF you're talking about.
The SCOTUS decided a State issue, it was not Federal law, as you posted it should be.
Next,,,,
Reynolds states that preserving the definition of marriage is federal jurisdiction, and that the definition cannot change. The states issue marriage licenses, but they states cannot redefine marriage just because they want it. Your ‘thesis’ is the reason why abortion is legal across america, and why we are going to see Obama enforce gay marriage too.
GOP Adapt: Go Liberal
Need a Real Conservative Third Party. Rand is turning into his father
“Wow, I’ll give you kudos for knowing that case, however you don’t know WTF you’re talking about.”
Reynolds states explicitly that the federal government has jurisdiction to preserve the definition of marriage as one man and one woman.
“The SCOTUS decided a State issue”
Well, then. I’ve provided a citation that shows otherwise. Show me the legal case that verifies your opinion.
it’s not practical to have troops all over the middle east, africa, Germany, Korea, Japan, Saudi Arabia and on and on, it costs a fortune and the deficits and debt are crazy so yes this sort of spending overseas has to end one way or another.
And soon. Because once the SHTF, there needs to be an known alternative in place to rebuild around.
“sometimes viewpoints change in society, we need to pick key battles where we can win and take it from there.”
Some issues are core, and cannot be conceded. These are core, conservative issues, that cannot and should not be conceded. By conceding them, we’ve essentially awarded leftists the victory here.
“We need to find the issues that we can win on and work on the others form there.”
We have the right issue already. If you believe these are loser issues, then you are in the wrong party. If you want to win on social liberalism - the democrat party seems to be doing just fine.
“We need to return to a more Goldwater style conservatism where government is out of our lives as much as possible.”
My experience is that liberatarians are unreliable on both social and fiscal issues - they will willingly concede fiscal conservativism in order to preserve social liberal causes like publicly funded abortion, etc.
“sometimes viewpoints change in society”
Like pedophilia for example. Proof positive that viewpoints are not a good basis of government. It is never ‘right’ to screw children. Even if x percent of society says it is.
Likewise does this apply to other ‘viewpoints’.
DC and all of it’s denizens are nothing more than a bunch of con men and criminals who extort 3 triillion dollars in cash a year from working people under penalty of imprisonment and spend it like Monopoly money.
Time to start electing people who intend to go to Washington not to reform the Federal Government, but to dismantle it.
I'll grant you, it's an intersting case, but your conclusions are wrong.
You have yet to cite me a Constitutional authority that gives the Federal Government power over marriage, you've only cited SOTUS.
If you desire homo "marriage"
After you admit it, then we'll talk about semantics.
The force structure can be changed but there is a need for a large number of US troops throughout the world. Our enemy is going to fight until they or the United States is completely destroyed..we simply have no choice but to spend whatever it costs to win. The is no alternative.
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