got a link???
Posted on 06/22/2013 3:34:21 PM PDT by FlJoePa
New information earlier this week pointing to a cover-up in the crash of TWA Flight 800 doesn't come as a surprise to at least one local man whose daughter was killed in the 1996 tragedy.
Donald Nibert, a retired Penn College forestry professor, said from the beginning all he has wanted is the truth from investigators.
"I've always felt this was friendly fire from day one," he said.
The crash off Long Island claimed the life of his daughter, Cheryl, along with 15 other Montoursville Area High School students and their five adult chaperones.
A film to be released next month makes the claim that the official government report on the crash was an elaborate fabrication. Six experts from the National Transportation Safety Board investigation team who originally concluded the crash was an accident now say they were silenced by superiors.
Seventeen years have gone by since the crash, but Nibert hasn't forgotten.
Early on, he was dogged in his pursuit of the truth.
He queried NTSB officials.
Eventually, he managed to secure a copy of the flight-data recorder from the plane.
One expert concluded that 2 seconds of the recording were deleted.
And Glen Schulze, of Littleton, Colo., a flight data recorder expert maintains to this day that the device was, in his works, "doctored" with 4 seconds of the recording missing.
"What I believe at this point is that it (plane) was not an internal explosion. It was external," Schulze told the Sun-Gazette Thursday. "That's what most of witnesses saw."
Such developments have only confirmed Nibert's suspicions.
About a year after the crash, Nibert recalled receiving an anonymous call from a woman who claimed that her relative was responsible for shooting down the plane from a submarine.
He can't say what she told him is true. Then again, he can't be sure.
Witnesses he's talked to have seemed to confirm his conclusions: that friendly fire brought down the plane.
The final NTSB report claimed faulty wiring in a central fuel tank caused a blast that destroyed the fuselage.
Nibert doesn't buy it.
What he really wants, he said, is for the truth to come out and for those engaged in what he believes has been a lie to be prosecuted.
"I want the truth. That is what I've always wanted," he said. "They have covered up things for 17 years."
Schulze, for his part, said he stands by his original statements that NSTB officials have been anything but forthcoming about their investigation.
He said he never has tried to figure out what the motives may have been behind those responsible for the crash itself.
Nibert has been the lone voice among the relatives of Montoursville victims in expressing his anger at the government.
"I have to say I felt ostracized for my thoughts," he said. "Parents don't want to consider this possibility, which is understandable."
The tragedy, he said, always will be with him.
The filmmakers of "TWA Flight 800" are asking for the NTSB to re-open the investigation.
Nibert, for his part, said he's not holding out a lot of hope that it will happen.
And the memory of his daughter - he's managed to keep alive.
"It's difficult walking into her room, which we never changed," he said.
see my post #79.
Have you seen the referenced WND article? it is frontpage now ~
I can't say I'm certain it was a terrorist but I see these photos of those weapons in Libya, they look like big pointy grenades on broomsticks. I think what stupid govt lets people run aorund with those? But it wouldn't be too hard, well you know where I'm going with that. Aside from the more recent on the West Coast, there don't seem to have been any other incidents that could be attributable to missiles in the wrong hands.
It's only because of the witnesses I saw myself, in the early hours when a big story is breaking (I think more were at least mentioned) that I came to believe as I did. As things unfold, stories get "edited" but sometime the earliest versions are the correct ones.
"And what do you do with a bully? Stand firm, refuse to be cowed, and speak the Truth. The Truth will set you free."
Well said, dear FRiend !,
got a link???
guess you didn't read post #55 then did you...
Pierre Salinger was said to have proof.
” got a link??? “
I dont have LINK ! I cant find it anyplace ?! IT’S GONE ?! ???????? very STRANGE ~
It was featured with a pic on the moving banner thing, I think featuring the new doc coming out.
The article reported what was said by an anonymous crew member when driving with his wife, not on his sub that day, and first heard the news.
He had been on his sub the day before, loading , I think it said ‘test missles’ - and he felt sure that ‘we’ did it. Later back on ship he asked mates and they would not talk, etc he saw as also suspicious.
The article summed up nicely the radar info that could be known of what was in the area - ex: 4 things moving and 3 disappeared right away - to assume they were the 3 subs.
? So now have they got to him ?
no link... you or he uses ship and sub interchangeably, ships are on the surface subs below the surface
see my post #68, i still stand by my statement, a surface ship coulda done it
Again, because I’m not going to type it over,
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3034446/posts?page=55#55
I take WND lightly. They are sensationalist. I stopped reading a long time ago.
100%...
Aliska ~:”.. but I see these photos of those weapons in Libya, they look like big pointy grenades on broomsticks. “
Those would be RPG’s . They are ideal against non-moving , or slow moving vehicles , or stationary targets.
The accuracy and distance range is somewhat limited .
In Benghazi in the recent past ,there is a history of between 10,000 - 20,000 MANPADS / ‘Stinger’ missles.
These are guided missles that can track , alter course , and be ‘heat-seeking’ (engine exhaust) for aircraft , both commercial and military.
Those stockpiles of munitions and missles have fallen into the hands of fundamental Islamacists especially including al Qada .
Even the Benghazi story got edited by the State Dept. , with the assault being blamed on “the movie” that no one ever saw .
Enough said ..
I seem to remember that the NTSB admitted that they found explosive residue on jet’s fuselage but said that was from previous training of bomb-sniffing dogs. That excuse is weak as hell.
I don’t believe for a second that this was a missile fired from a Navy ship or submarine. Klinton hated the military and found any excuse that he could for dismantling the military (and sending them on expensive wild goose chases, like using attack subs to go study the weather and whales). I know because I was IN the military at the time.
Bubba would not have kept this a secret, he would’ve used it to further “prove” that the military is horrible and incompetent and use it as an excuse to further restrict them from carrying live weapons.
Yeah, I quit reading it circa 2003 when they kept making outrageous predictions of America invading some country or a muslim country doing a spectacular attack on one of our interests. Then when nothing happened, their excuse was always, “We didn’t write the article, it seemed credible when we linked it.”
I like that Joe Farrah tells it like it is with the islamists but there is just too much garbage clogging up WND.
And they’re endorsement of DEBKA was lame, too.
MANPADS I didn't know but if they are stinger missiles, those I knew were heat seeking. And the ones we have to worry about bringing down planes.
It was beyond dumb arming those bozos with those things. I don't have to write out where some could end up.
Rocket-propelled grenade.
Of course a surface ship could’ve done it, but I just don’t believe that Krinton would’ve missed an opportunity to throw the military under the bus. Bubba has a long history of turning a blind eye to atrocities and pretending terrorism against America wasn’t happening (or at least appallingly minimizing it), it’s a lot more likely that he was doing it regarding Flight 800, too.
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