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Vanity: Need Dog Vaccine Adverse Reaction Advice
None ^ | July 16, 2013 | cva66snipe

Posted on 07/16/2013 7:10:29 PM PDT by cva66snipe

We have a Toy Rat Terrier {from a Chihuahua mix} we think is having a delayed reaction to her annual vaccines. Last Tuesday she had her Rabies, Bordetella/Kennel Cough, DA2PP, vaccines. Yesterday evening she started breaking out in bumps on her skin as well as vomiting and bloody stool with diarrhea.

Normally I would assume it is a virus except for this part of her history last year. Last year she had the same shots and about a week later these same symptoms happened and had to be treated. The Vet at that time which was one open on a Saturday gave her antihistamine and Steroids. Today different Vet her regular Vet this time gave her Benedryl, Famotidine injection, and Metronidazole orally to take 14 days.

I believe this is being caused by one of the vaccines. The Vets both of them say a week is too long for that too happen. She's still not wanting to hold down food well but bladder and bowel function is there.

Has anyone experienced this before in this timeframe of delay? This is my wife's companion dog and acts also as my service dog for my hearing with hearing aids out. Thanks.


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1 posted on 07/16/2013 7:10:29 PM PDT by cva66snipe
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To: cva66snipe

This might sound like a weird question, but is your dog white?


2 posted on 07/16/2013 7:18:48 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: cva66snipe

Try 12.5 mg of Benadryl to relieve the itching and help with the allergic reaction. Repeat every 12 hrs. Call your vet, too.


3 posted on 07/16/2013 7:21:17 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: chalkfarmer

no, all our white dogs have had more skin and allergy issues. good question.


4 posted on 07/16/2013 7:21:44 PM PDT by az wildkitten (8 years 'til I retire)
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To: chalkfarmer

Yea mostly but typical black and brown Ratty markings also. BTW she’s kept in doors except for doing her business. We also have a full size Ratty {Beagle mix} same Vet, same shots, same food, same snacks {Milk Bones} etc and no reaction. They also get their shots within a month or two of each other. Their food is Cesars.


5 posted on 07/16/2013 7:22:55 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: az wildkitten

so much so, I choose brindles.


6 posted on 07/16/2013 7:23:18 PM PDT by az wildkitten (8 years 'til I retire)
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To: cva66snipe; Joe 6-pack

Let’s get some responses quickly on this one.


7 posted on 07/16/2013 7:23:20 PM PDT by mojo114 (Pray for our military)
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To: az wildkitten

I have a rat terrier jack russel mix who has trouble with vaccines (she’s white) and she suffers seizures with heart worm meds etc...was told by someone some white dogs have this issue.


8 posted on 07/16/2013 7:25:01 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: cva66snipe
Why are you vaccinating every year? It's every three here for rabies. Are you boarding her and have to vaccinate for kennel cough or something?

A lot of dog health problems late in life stem from over-vaccination, in my opinion, having had many live into their mid-teens, all fairly large dogs. The biggie is cancer.

I've been known to pay for a titer test in order to obviate the need for a legally required vaccination, I feel that strongly about it.

9 posted on 07/16/2013 7:26:04 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cva66snipe

We generally expect to see a vaccine/medication/blood transfusion reactions withing 15 minutes of administration (to humans). Bloody stool doesn’t sound like a drug reaction to me, it sounds like the dog ate something it shouldn’t have or has an intestinal infection (hence the metronidazole). If something is irritating a dogs GI tract, we expect to see mucous in the stool. This may be the case with worms or as a result of eating inappropriate objects as puppies are prone to doing. vomiting and diarrhea is also a sign of K9 pancreatitis which is pretty common. Hopefully the vet ruled that out immediately with a snap test. It’s hard to have faith in the vet sometimes but I generally try too as they’re generally very intelligent and qualified. the famotidine is for both allergic reactions and for acid reflux type conditions btw.


10 posted on 07/16/2013 7:27:26 PM PDT by RC one
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To: cva66snipe

My dachshund ( max is 15 now) has had allergic reaction to his vaccines since he was 8 weeks old......has to get a shot before the shot. The first time he reacted he was just a puppy, muzzle and eyes swelled, labored breathing, got him back to the vet just in time. The symptoms appeared within one hour of the vaccine.


11 posted on 07/16/2013 7:28:07 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: cva66snipe

How old is your dog? Also, I’d find another Vet....pronto. My vet AVOIDS unnecessary vacs...and the VET community is right now re-evaluating frequency....because of problems.


12 posted on 07/16/2013 7:28:34 PM PDT by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: cva66snipe

I check this site often.
http://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm2005683.htm


13 posted on 07/16/2013 7:30:53 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Ditto - always keep Benadryl in your first-aid kit. You do have one, don’t you? Especially products for pets.


14 posted on 07/16/2013 7:30:53 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Try 12.5 mg of Benadryl to relieve the itching and help with the allergic reaction. Repeat every 12 hrs. Call your vet, too.

He gave her a shot of it this morning so I'm not sure how long the shot would last in her bloodstream. IOW I don't want to overdose her. At 10 pounds not much room for error. BTW I tried that last year on her with this and it didn't work. She shows vaccine reaction symptoms but the issue the doctors have is it waiting a week to happen. We do live in the woods and yea I thought about Poison Ivy etc. Vet last years said it was unlikely because of a Ratty's coarse fur.

15 posted on 07/16/2013 7:32:28 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

We have a little 3 pound poodle. That combo distemper injection gets her. She screams if you touch her for a few days. We have to pre- treat with Metacam and continue that for a couple of days afterward.


16 posted on 07/16/2013 7:37:07 PM PDT by BelleAl (Proud to be a member of the party of NO! NO more deficit spending and government control!)
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To: cva66snipe

He wouldn’t have given her any more than about 1 mg per pound. Injections don’t metabolize any slower than oral, they just work quicker. It should be okay to give him some moer.


17 posted on 07/16/2013 7:38:34 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: chalkfarmer
I have a rat terrier jack russel mix who has trouble with vaccines (she’s white) and she suffers seizures with heart worm meds etc...was told by someone some white dogs have this issue.

OK thanks She does fine with Heart Worm but two years same issue on vaccines has me convinced one of the two vaccines she can't handle. I give both dogs Tri-Heart Plus for heart worm. I also dose them with Generic Frontline flea prevention every two months. Last dose was about three weeks ago I guess.

18 posted on 07/16/2013 7:39:21 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: BelleAl

Be careful with the metacam.


19 posted on 07/16/2013 7:39:40 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: cva66snipe

The wife is a pharmacist and wants to know if the dog appears to have any respiratory distress.


20 posted on 07/16/2013 7:40:21 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: cva66snipe

It definitely isn’t the vaccines. Have you introduced anything new to the home environment (foods, cleansers, etc)? Was she outdoors where she could chew on things like mushrooms, plants, etc? Make a list of everything you did in the previous 24 hours and it will be one of those.


21 posted on 07/16/2013 7:40:36 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: chalkfarmer

We, and eventually our vet, thinks rattlesnake vaccine killed out little 10 yr. old rat terrier. Yes she was white but I think age has a lot to do with it.

The vet now gives fair warning to folks with small dogs.


22 posted on 07/16/2013 7:41:50 PM PDT by biff (WAS)
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23 posted on 07/16/2013 7:43:24 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Why are you vaccinating every year? It's every three here for rabies. Are you boarding her and have to vaccinate for kennel cough or something? A lot of dog health problems late in life stem from over-vaccination, in my opinion, having had many live into their mid-teens, all fairly large dogs. The biggie is cancer. I've been known to pay for a titer test in order to obviate the need for a legally required vaccination, I feel that strongly about it.

The Rabies I think is state law here {Tennessee}. I don't board them and usually in the winter is the only time they leave the house with us. We take them with us only when outside Temps allow it.

Rabies is kind of an issue in these parts. I have Coons, Yotes, Bats, stray dogs, etc to contend with. I'm in a rural area. Coons and Skunks are usually biggest Rabies risk. Possums are safe though LOL.

24 posted on 07/16/2013 7:45:00 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Was the reaction last year the same seasonal time as this year? My guy had horrible hives, manic itching three years in a row, in the summer about the same time, never able to isolate it. I concluded it was a seasonal plant or lawn fertilizer, Dr. Young disagreed, LOL, he thought it was ants.


25 posted on 07/16/2013 7:46:55 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: cva66snipe
1. Stop vaccinating your dog on an annual basis. It doesn't need it after the age of 1. Follow Dr. Dodds protocol for vaccines. If a limited protocol concerns you, run titers first on your dog and go from there.

2. Give your dog some homepathy therapy and use Thuja (30ccs) twice a day for the next week to help his body recover from the vaccine reaction.

3. Due to the adverse reaction, your dog's immune system has been weakened. I highly recommend switching to a raw dietand when I say raw, I don't mean the crap you can by at a pet store or all natural dry food. I mean RAW meat such a beef, venison, turkey, quail, rabbit. Blue Ridge Beef products makes and distributes raw dog food throughout the country.

4. Start adding a supplement to your dog's food that will help boost the immune system. Nature's Farmacy has some wonderful products.

Why do I recommend this? Because I speak from experience. My 5 year old Belgian Sheepdog had his annual vaccines in February. He had a severe reaction and lost the majority of hair on his face. The breed is known for mediated immune issues, and after losing my previous BSD to IMHA, I was not going to live through anything like that again. So I switched him and my other BSD to an all raw diet. Stopped all vaccines (except rabies and bordatella, which I would stop also if I didn't train in a boarding facility). My new Border Collie puppy is also on a completely raw diet. The results?


- The dogs have GORGEOUS, soft, shiny coats
- My boy has not had any immune related issues with demodex, hair loss, etc.
- Their teeth are as white as can be and no longer have bad breath or tartar build up
- My girl no longer has a sensitive tummy or disgusting smelling burps
- Stools are small and turn to white powder in 10 days
- They drink less water, thus, pee less too

The results have been so amazing that even my vet is considering switching to a raw diet. This evening, my dogs dined on raw venison with ground bone, pumpkin, coconut oil (which has SO many benefits for dogs), some green beans, which they love, their probiotic/immune powder, and a vitamin. They eat better than I do!

But they are COMPLETELY worth it. And cost comparison, it was around .25 more per serving. After seeing the results, it was the best decision I've ever made for my dogs.

26 posted on 07/16/2013 7:51:10 PM PDT by rintense
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To: RC one
We generally expect to see a vaccine/medication/blood transfusion reactions withing 15 minutes of administration (to humans). Bloody stool doesn’t sound like a drug reaction to me, it sounds like the dog ate something it shouldn’t have or has an intestinal infection (hence the metronidazole). If something is irritating a dogs GI tract, we expect to see mucous in the stool. This may be the case with worms or as a result of eating inappropriate objects as puppies are prone to doing. vomiting and diarrhea is also a sign of K9 pancreatitis which is pretty common. Hopefully the vet ruled that out immediately with a snap test. It’s hard to have faith in the vet sometimes but I generally try too as they’re generally very intelligent and qualified. the famotidine is for both allergic reactions and for acid reflux type conditions btw.

I put the eating something wrong question the the Vet last year and it was ruled out. I'm usually right there with them when I let them out due to the blasted Yotes around. I don't toss out scraps so that's ruled out and my neighbor is a ways off the dogs don't wonder that far. i can safely rule out anyone tampering with them like poison also. Not many people even know my house exist. It's up off a dead end road and almost a quarter mile off that road.

IIRC pancreatitis is a common issue in Ratty's though.

27 posted on 07/16/2013 7:51:48 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Toespi
My dachshund ( max is 15 now) has had allergic reaction to his vaccines since he was 8 weeks old......has to get a shot before the shot. The first time he reacted he was just a puppy, muzzle and eyes swelled, labored breathing, got him back to the vet just in time. The symptoms appeared within one hour of the vaccine.

Yea that's a very severe reaction. I take allergy shots myself and they make you stay 20 mimutes just to make sure you don't shock on them.

28 posted on 07/16/2013 7:54:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
Try giving her small curd cottage cheese for stomach problem. I have done that with my Beagle several times once for over dosage a vet gave him for parasites and once during recovery for getting into some kind of poison.

Our Chihuahua who is 10 lbs has had a bad reaction to steroid shots for allergies in the past due to being a small dog. WE told the vet no more steroid shots and he agreed. Now we give her a half of a children's antihistamine for the allergies and it works fine. Maybe the dog is having partially a reaction to the drugs the vet gave.

29 posted on 07/16/2013 7:55:06 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: cva66snipe

I’m in northwestern North Carolina, so the threat of contact with rabid animals is little different. Immunity is immunity, hitting them with more vaccine than necessary is not necessarily helpful, especially with older, weakened or sickly dogs. As I mentioned, I’ve paid for blood titer to establish that there is no need to vaccinate in the past. It can take a toll, on elderly dogs in particular.

Maybe there are differing types of rabies vaccine? It’s every three years here, after first vaccination at eight weeks and a booster about three months later.


30 posted on 07/16/2013 7:56:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: cva66snipe

Oh wow! Never NEVER have more than one vaccination at one time!! Especially on a small dog. They should be given at least 2 weeks apart. Your vet is totally incompetent to not know this and do something like this. Certainly note should be taken that this has happened before!

Best of luck! I hope your sweet dog comes around well soon!


31 posted on 07/16/2013 7:57:34 PM PDT by battletank
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To: cva66snipe

Benadryl children’s strength.

He might get sleepy but that’s all.

And call your vet ASAP, just to be sure.


32 posted on 07/16/2013 7:58:28 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: goodnesswins
How old is your dog? Also, I’d find another Vet....pronto. My vet AVOIDS unnecessary vacs...and the VET community is right now re-evaluating frequency....because of problems.

She just turned 5 years old. I think the Combination shots all at one time is messing with pet and man alike. I'm gonna watch her tonight and see how she does. I might have to go back to Vet that helped her last year. She straightened out pretty fast then. But the thing about reactions is each new one can be more severe than previous one.

33 posted on 07/16/2013 7:59:00 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Toespi
Was the reaction last year the same seasonal time as this year? My guy had horrible hives, manic itching three years in a row, in the summer about the same time, never able to isolate it. I concluded it was a seasonal plant or lawn fertilizer, Dr. Young disagreed, LOL, he thought it was ants.

One months difference in time {Later this year} because due to funding I was a month late on her shots. As a matter of fact it is the same number of days after shots the issues started.

34 posted on 07/16/2013 8:01:42 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

And STOP giving vaccines.

They’re not necessary, especially with the frequency vets give them, i.e., every year.

Only give rabies because you *have* to by law.

Our new pup’s lifetime health guarantee is actually -voided- if I ever give her another shot outside of her obligatory rabies vax and that, only *after* she is 6 months old.

This kennel has been going strong since I was born and they know their stuff.

Their dogs are famous for health and longevity.


35 posted on 07/16/2013 8:02:15 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: cva66snipe

Hope your dog feels better soon. When my jack rat gets stomach trouble, I feed her cooked rice.


36 posted on 07/16/2013 8:02:44 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: cva66snipe

Hope your dog feels better soon. When my jack rat gets stomach trouble, I feed her cooked rice.


37 posted on 07/16/2013 8:02:45 PM PDT by chalkfarmer
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To: cva66snipe

P.S...was Lepto included in the shot?

Avoid that at all costs.

It’s the wrong serovar of Lepto anyway and the side-effects are infamous.

It has killed dogs, outright.


38 posted on 07/16/2013 8:04:00 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The wife is a pharmacist and wants to know if the dog appears to have any respiratory distress.

No her breathing is fine. Her tail is usually up and she's drinking water OK just not hungry. So far about six hours without throwing up any fluids. Dry heaves once about two hours ago.

39 posted on 07/16/2013 8:04:56 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: BelleAl

http://www.dogs4dogs.com/blog/2012/08/08/help-end-over-vaccination-of-our-dogs-and-cats/

http://www.whole-dog-journal.com/issues/13_8/features/Annual-Pet-Vaccinations_20036-1.html


40 posted on 07/16/2013 8:06:06 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: cva66snipe

Monthly wormers can be disastrous, too.

Give the dog incredibly safe Panacur [available at Tractor Supply] every 3 months, instead.


41 posted on 07/16/2013 8:07:35 PM PDT by Salamander (.......Uber Alice!.......)
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To: Kirkwood
It definitely isn’t the vaccines. Have you introduced anything new to the home environment (foods, cleansers, etc)? Was she outdoors where she could chew on things like mushrooms, plants, etc? Make a list of everything you did in the previous 24 hours and it will be one of those.

Where I'm at that's a huge list on the outside possibilites. The one thing Rattys do like to do though is sniff more than usual. Only other thing is there's a lot of wild rabbits around in my front yard bit dogs leave them be.

42 posted on 07/16/2013 8:08:45 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

IMO......has to be the vaccine regimen. I would go back to the other vet, ASAP, or find a completely different one. Best wishes and hopes for a quick resolution!


43 posted on 07/16/2013 8:10:42 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: rintense

Thanks. I’ll give it a read.


44 posted on 07/16/2013 8:12:06 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I didn't think about cottage cheese but it makes sense. Thanks. She was in trouble before the VET gave er the meds today. She was already having bumps on fur, throwing up, and Diarrhea. The thing I'm questioning is her annual shots she got last week that seems to go hand and hand two years running with this.
45 posted on 07/16/2013 8:16:33 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: battletank

Thanks.


46 posted on 07/16/2013 8:18:55 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Salamander
Benadryl children’s strength. He might get sleepy but that’s all. And call your vet ASAP, just to be sure.

Yea I keep the dosage ration posted on the fridge. I can't call the Vet again till morning.

47 posted on 07/16/2013 8:21:46 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: chalkfarmer

Thanks


48 posted on 07/16/2013 8:23:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Salamander
P.S...was Lepto included in the shot? Avoid that at all costs. It’s the wrong serovar of Lepto anyway and the side-effects are infamous. It has killed dogs, outright

I don't know. Visit sheet just list vaccines not any ingredients or even trade name of vaccine.

49 posted on 07/16/2013 8:24:49 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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One other thing. She doesn't seem to be running any temperature. Her nose has stayed cold and normal moist to touch throughout all this.
50 posted on 07/16/2013 8:35:27 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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