Posted on 07/18/2013 6:29:36 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
It’s time for the criminals to RETREAT ... or DIE !
Nope!
Expand on that...What do you think G'Zs level of culpability is?
In my estimation it's very low. So low that any punishment or penalty would be seen as inadequate by the TM camp.
A ‘responsibility to retreat’ and a ‘requirement to retreat’ are two different things. Zimmerman was not required to retreat, and the Stand Your Ground law is irrelevant to the discussion to begin with. Zimmerman’s case was simple self-defense, nothing more or less.
SYG is really a reminder to the state that if someone is justified in shooting another person, retreat was not a viable option. No obligation to retreat if doing so is more dangerous than fighting.
That’s one danged fine post. Agree with every word.
Well, thanks!
I think the ATTACKER has THE responsibility to retreat, or suffer the consequences.
I believe “stand your ground” was the response to the “duty to retreat” laws.
Was not speaking about GZ. Was speaking about a theoretical situation.
“When someone would have been charged with assault and battery, or attempted murder, based on the situation had the other guy lived; do we really want him to just walk away if he succeeds in killing his opponent?”
This situation applies in a great many situations, notably bar fights where both participants are drunk and belligerent.
The consequences should not be lower for killing a guy under particular circumstances than for just injuring him. And I think SYG can work that say sometimes.
P.S. the only thing I would change about my comment is that the weak, such as the old or frail, can be victims and not coward as they have little ability to fight back, but they still should never be forced to run and have every right to turn to lethal force.
I’ve always thought why should I have to be a martial arts expert to defend myself from a punch in the nose. Why can’t I simply shoot the idiot? Why should I “measure” my response and place myself at risk? I should be allowed to turn to any force including lethal from any physical attack. I am a martial arts expert, well trained and experienced in weapons, carry concealed, and won’t back down from anyone, but why should even I have to stand there and only use my body as a weapon to defend myself? Why can’t I just draw and smoke the aggressor? Why should I have to place myself at risk by not doing so? Why should I have to wait for the bad guy to escalate the use force first? Why must I measure myself against the guy and somehow quickly determine if I have the right to use lethal force and maybe be wrong about that? Why do I have to be a legal expert, too?
A long time ago, I had a saying -
beware those who want to remove your ability to resist force,
because they see themselves, at some point in the future,
using force to impose their will upon you.
Thus it is, I believe, with the liberals of today and with this case - they see an individual using force to resist being aggressed upon, and they see themselves in the role of the aggressor - imposing their will on others.
2. Stand Your Ground is an old tradition that's been codified more to stop the civil lawsuits.
Without question. They see themselves or their friends as those that you might resist. They always call everyone “fascist” and protest against them and use violence but they are the ones that then demand no one else should be allowed to resist them.
That seems to be the meme that has jelled post-verdict, in no small measure thanks to the media repeating the false narrative that the dispatcher ordered Zim not to follow the suspect. Which, of course, is not what happened. The “wanna be cop looking for trouble” is a close second to this.
The notion that following someone at a distance is justification to lie in wait for him and then commit a felony assault on him relies on the first two to somehow paint GZ as the aggressor in this whole mess.
Low-information voters, all of them.
Carl Rowan certainly didn’t feel a “responsibility to retreat”.But then,*he* was “of color” and the kids in his pool were crackers.
It is not in a mans nature to retreat. Yes, some do, but God made us a certain way and if sin hasn’t corrupted us, we stand!
And you women need to just lie back and enjoy it.
Pray for America to Wake Up
It works that way in many more situations than SYG. Civil damages are often much higher when death is not involved.
Part of the law reads "reasonably cautious and prudent person", and I'd argue that neither apply to a bar room brawl participant.
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