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Should 1st graders be required to know about the Code of Hammurabi? (Common Core)
Engageny.org ^ | July 31, 2013 | Me

Posted on 07/31/2013 9:31:04 AM PDT by Kip Russell

I'll be the first to criticize public education for not being challenging enough and simply passing kids on to the next grade without teaching them anything...but is this too much for first graders?

Here's a partial list of what 6 year olds will allegedly be able to do after completing this lesson plan:

2. Explain the importance of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers and the use of canals to support farming and the development of the city of Babylon

4. Identify cuneiform as the system of writing used in Mesopotamia

6. Explain the significance of the Code of Hammurabi

9. Explain the significance of gods/goddesses, ziggurats, temples, and priests in Mesopotamia;

12. Describe how a civilization evolves and changes over time

21. Identify Hatshepsut as a pharaoh of ancient Egypt and explain her significance as pharaoh

26. Define monotheism as the belief in one God

34. Explain that, according to an important story in the Torah, Moses received the Ten Commandments from God and that the Ten Commandments are rules that tell people how to behave or live their lives

41. Identify that Christians believe Jesus to be the Messiah and the son of God

47. Identify the Qur’an as the holy book of Islam, containing laws for daily living and many stories that appear in Jewish and Christian holy books


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KEYWORDS: 1stgraders; atheist; christ; commoncore; education; god; hammurabi; jesus; melchizedek; originalintent
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To: Kip Russell

Those questions as presented are not much different from what we covered over six years of grade school. Starting first graders directly into some of these more complex concepts and facts seems to be a bit of a stretch. At the end of 6th or 8th grade I might expect most students to know the basics of all of these.


51 posted on 07/31/2013 10:41:35 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: BwanaNdege

Put to death for shoddy workmanship that causes a death? That would sure have an adverse effect on many union workers.


52 posted on 07/31/2013 10:43:49 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Reddy

I disagree.


53 posted on 07/31/2013 10:44:28 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Wow - that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Babylonian mythos and everything to do with your irrational need to somehow make this about Islam.

Look - I’m no fan of Islam, either. It’s an evil religion that produces evil societies. But I’m also a *sane* person who can separate my dislike of Islam from, say, the Buddhas of Bamiyan. The statues were in an Islamic country, but they were destroyed by the Taliban. Those religious statues were no more Islamic than Marduk of Babylonian mythos.

Besides, even the post you just put up proves the disconnect. If refers to “facts [that] have not changed over the past 1,400 years.” Agreed. Mohammed was circa 600 AD. Hammurabi was a *mere* 2300 years prior to that.

Get that? Even longer before Mohammed than the time that has passed since Christ’s birth.

Take a deep breath and relax.


54 posted on 07/31/2013 10:45:13 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: agrarianlady

Nope.

I remember practicing cursive (hated it), some of the teachers and kids and lunch brought to the classrooms and that’s it.

I am not low information by any means but virtually all my learning has been independently acquired, even now. School from kindergarten through graduate school was a colossal waste of time and I don’t recommend it.


55 posted on 07/31/2013 10:47:10 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Yosemitest

“Where do you think Islam got its root from?”

Legends about Abraham the Mystic, Hammurabi had nothing to do with it. You are confusing historical fact with myth — just like...


56 posted on 07/31/2013 10:48:09 AM PDT by In Another Time... (..In another place...)
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To: RJS1950

A lot of lawyers rendered redundant. Or maybe, just “rendered”.


57 posted on 07/31/2013 10:48:15 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: bolobaby
You're so clueless, and you don't even know it.
You just spew out the lame stream media's line and the liberal teachers union line.
Until you've gone through the references given in comment #43, you won't understand.
Now you've been exposed to the truth and it's YOUR responsibility to get it.
I've done my part.
58 posted on 07/31/2013 10:50:27 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Erm... Ooooooook... Everyone just back away slowly...


59 posted on 07/31/2013 10:56:40 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Afterguard
This is from the my perspective as an old-school educator:

Most people assume that curriculum has been dumbed down. In the early grades, it's just the opposite. Topics are presented to students at a very young age, my opinion in many cases before they're developmentally or experientially ready for some of this. The idea is to start the topic when they're young and revisit it with more information when they're older.

It doesn't work. Once a student has been introduced to a topic, they think they know it. When it comes up again the attitude of most is "We already know it." In their minds, because they learned what was taught of it when they're younger, they think they know all of it. It's one reason they're so awful at percents and fractions and they think solving equations should be a group hands-on exercise.

As far as these history topics, I'm not surprised. The idea is to introduce kids to these topics when they're young so they are aware of the world. I was first intimidated when in a 5th grade class, I did not know who the first African emperor was.

Does it work? Yes, if the purpose is to identify and prod along the most capable students. Some students at a very young age have amazing knowledge in science, math, and other topics. The rest kind of get stopped by constant testing and evaluations, instead of just letting them develop in a sensible way.

60 posted on 07/31/2013 10:57:56 AM PDT by grania
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To: svcw

when i think about the damage our education system is doing to our future, i must admit, i still wet my bed.


61 posted on 07/31/2013 11:00:57 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: Yosemitest

You do realize that the code of Hammurabi was written in 1772 BC, a little over 2000 YEARS before the forming of Islam (600 AD ish) right?


62 posted on 07/31/2013 11:03:06 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: discostu; bolobaby
You do realize that the code of Hammurabi was written in 1772 BC, a little over 2000 YEARS before the forming of Islam (600 AD ish) right?

Forget it, he's rolling.

63 posted on 07/31/2013 11:17:01 AM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: BCW
I Like Turtles!
64 posted on 07/31/2013 11:21:57 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: mware

IMO it’s the sort of thing that can placate parents who worry about rigor in their children’s education. This includes parents whose kids aren’t learning the basics, however, because the pedagogy includes exposing all students to the material, including those who have fallen behind.

For many schools, most of the kids have fallen behind. But rather than requiring them to first master the basics of reading and writing. Those kids will only be the more confused as they are expected to retain detailed information on esoteric subjects they can only have recited to them because they can’t yet read.

Of course, this will assure endless job creation for teachers unions, since more reading tutors and the like will be required all they while these kids progress through elementary school.

It’s a shame.


65 posted on 07/31/2013 11:27:39 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Kip Russell; discostu; bolobaby
You boys never went to Bible School, did you?



Isaac And Ishmael
Excerpt from ‘The Family of Abraham’
Islam's roots goes all the way back to Gen. 16:12, that's 1913 BC for you idiots who don't study the Bible.
66 posted on 07/31/2013 11:59:53 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest; Kip Russell; GeronL

You guys are all missing the big picture here. It’s not whether this material is 1st Grade appropriate, obviously it isn’t, or whether it’s good material - the big problem with this “Common Core” stuff is that it is a Federal Curriculum!!

This is the first federal generated curriculum. In spite of all the homeschooler advocates dissing public schools, this Common Core crap is the first federally generated national curriculum! So, it doesn’t matter if it is good stuff or not - the Federal Government should NOT be generating curriculum.

And another danger is that this “Common Core” curriculum is being adopted by many private schools, as well as many Catholic private schools.

Some state governors are rejecting this Common Core for that very reason. You need to contact your state governor and legislators, your private schools, even Catholic schools and tell them to reject this stuff no matter how “good” or bad it is. It must be rejected because this is, for the first time, a curriculum that has been directly generated by the federal government. Each state previously defined its own curriculum for the students of their particular state. It was voted on by their state’s legislature and implemented by the local school boards (who also had a say in the curriculum).

This is by-passing each state’s control and passing it directly to the federal government. This is a horrible development that must be stopped by each governor and each state’s legislature. It is a Trojan horse of the worst kind. Previously the federal Dept of Education indirectly influenced state curriculum through the disbursement of federal money, but now this is direct control. This truly is federal indoctrination on a direct, no holds barred level.


67 posted on 07/31/2013 12:08:14 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Pull you children out of the federal ( READ COMMUNIST) school system, and HOME SCHOOL !
If they try to stop you, apply the Second Amendment to all who try.
68 posted on 07/31/2013 12:11:26 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Nice long quote, which has NOTHING to do with the situation. Since ALL 3 major religions have that root, and the Code was written by somebody who was DEAD 2300 before there was actual Islam not just “roots” in Genesis and in life worshiped the Babylonian gods. Why give them the credit when they so demonstrably had NOTHING to do with it.


69 posted on 07/31/2013 12:15:24 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Tax-chick

Maybe it's those seasoned croutons. We can leave the arugula out of it. It's innocent enough, regardless of the some of the snobby, pretentious company that keeps it.

70 posted on 07/31/2013 12:20:38 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Post Tenebras lux)
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To: mware

About 3/4 of that is quite simply past the cognitive ability of the vast majority of first graders! I see two things I think they’d be able to manage, and both relate to physical objects rather than any sort of abstraction. Children that young have very limited capability for abstraction.

Also, I’m honestly a little skeptical on the wisdom of teaching about the Revolutionary War and why it happened for another year or two. Lifelong impressions of who is considered an ally and who is an enemy are formed that young, without the capacity to understand that Britain is a valued friend now. In other words, this seems like it has the potential to imprint a dislike and distrust of Britain deeply at an age where it’s not likely to ever be questioned, the same way as Palestinians indoctrinate their children to hate Jews.


71 posted on 07/31/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by Fire_on_High (RIP City of Heroes and Paragon Studios, victim of the Obamaconomy.)
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To: Yosemitest

re: “Pull you children out of the federal ( READ COMMUNIST) school system, and HOME SCHOOL !”

The public school system is not equivalent with communist indoctrination, no matter what Wintertime and you say. Are there communist wackos teaching in the public school system? Yes, I’m sure there are, but FAR MORE communists are teaching in universities and colleges than in the public school system.

The issue is that Common Core is a federally generated curriculum. I don’t care if it advocated prayer in schools and mandated students to actually learn the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, the Federal government has no business developing school curriculum at all. That is un-Constitutional!

Besides, I thought you said that this Common Core stuff was teaching Islam - that isn’t exactly communism is it?

Now, does Common Core lend itself to a collectivist and communist strategy? Absolutely it does. My point is whether it’s teaching communism or capitalism or Christianity or Islam is beside the point - the Federal Government should not be developing ANY curriculum because that is dangerous AND un-Constitutional.


72 posted on 07/31/2013 12:40:28 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: BlueDragon

It probably has to do with prolonged association with dragons, too.


73 posted on 07/31/2013 12:47:30 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: Yosemitest

WRONG !
It’s shoving ISLAM down our throats.
Anyone who does such, shall be punished!

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I’m sorry, but what does Hammurabi have to do with Islam, given that Hammuarabi’s code was about 2300 years prior to the creation of Islam.


74 posted on 07/31/2013 1:09:07 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Kip Russell

Not for nuthin, but the entire legal system is based on the “Code.”

In a context of how we developed from the Ancient Civilizations of the Middle East, this is not unreasonable. Of course, it needs to be kept in its proper context.

First Grade is probably a little early. I recall learning about the introduction of farming and what not, some time in grammar school. But the whole experience is a little foggy.


75 posted on 07/31/2013 1:12:16 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Yosemitest

Actually the foundations of Islam were, at least partially, the Torah, and the bible. Abraham, Moses and Jesus are considered prophets in Islam.

I am NOT defending Islam as an equivalent religion—but Islam is a religion that came AFTER Judeo-Christian faiths.


76 posted on 07/31/2013 1:16:05 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Kip Russell

That was third and fourth grade for me.


77 posted on 07/31/2013 1:21:40 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Yosemitest

Maybe *YOU* need some history lessons.

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Surely you have a link to a youtube video (they seem to be your specialty) that explores the specific links between the Code of Hammurabi and the development of Islam. Because nothing you’ve posted so far on this topic shows any connection whatsoever.


78 posted on 07/31/2013 1:24:43 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Tax-chick
Tame them with breath mints? Coax them into only breathing fire when the steaks need grilling, or the house needs to be heated.

Who needs a guard dog when "here be dragons"? They might not be as snuggly as a terrier, but their bite is worse than any thundering herd of chihuahuas...

79 posted on 07/31/2013 1:36:42 PM PDT by BlueDragon (Post Tenebras lux)
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To: Kip Russell
Supreme Court Building

South Wall Frieze

Close up of Hammurabi and Moses on South Wall Frieze


80 posted on 07/31/2013 1:44:00 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: discostu
You don't get it and you never will.
It's connected and it's a the EVIL root of ISLAM.
81 posted on 07/31/2013 1:51:25 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: BlueDragon

Very prickly animals, dragons. Even a greyhound is cuddlier!


82 posted on 07/31/2013 1:52:49 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Ask me about the Weiner Wager. Support Free Republic!)
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To: dmz

Keep believing that LIE if you want.


83 posted on 07/31/2013 1:52:54 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: dmz
You obviously did NOT watch that link in comment #43.
84 posted on 07/31/2013 1:55:06 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

I get it just fine, Hammurabi has NOTHING to do with Islam. The writers practiced a different religion, couldn’t even practice Islam if they wanted to (which they also couldn’t) since it wouldn’t exist for 2300 years.


85 posted on 07/31/2013 2:05:32 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: discostu
Keep lying to yourself.
The roots are there for those who are not blinded.
86 posted on 07/31/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Which rules in the Code came from Islam:
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/ham/


87 posted on 07/31/2013 2:22:13 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: discostu
Go find it yourself.
I want nothing to do with the EVILS of ISLAM. It goes way back, beyond Islamic law and/or Middle Eastern law (3000 BC to 1000 BC) and any high school student of the 60s or 70s knows that.

I guess today's government schools have really descended into HELL!
88 posted on 07/31/2013 2:53:02 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

You’re the one making the claims, you need to prove them. I did half the work for you, I provided the Code of Hammurabi, now which parts of it come from Islam? You’re the one that insists a document from 1772 BC is tainted by a religion that came up 2300 years later, PROVE IT.


89 posted on 07/31/2013 3:01:55 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: discostu

I already have, but some people are just too dense to see it.


90 posted on 07/31/2013 3:07:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

No you haven’t. All you do is shout. Which items in the Code come from Islam? I gave you a link to the code, find one (1) that comes from Islam. It should be easy if things are as you claim. Go ahead.


91 posted on 07/31/2013 3:10:09 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: discostu
Go away child.
There are plenty of links I've already give you.
Go play games with someone else who is as dense as you.
92 posted on 07/31/2013 3:12:35 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

None of your links prove what you’re saying. The best you’ve got is that Islamic law built on the Code. Problem with that of course is that since the Code came out of the cradle of civilization pretty much ALL laws (including our very own Constitution) owe some of their origin to it.

The more you insult the more you show you’re wrong. People with facts don’t need insults.


93 posted on 07/31/2013 3:15:16 PM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: steve86

I know. It was a waste of 18 years for me, too, except for a good typing class and a great 12th grade English teacher. In elementary school they diagnosed me as “gifted,” so I was sent to another room where we played computer games. That eventually led to me getting a job after college. So at least there’s one bright spot.

This is the reason my three kids homeschool. We try not to waste their time.

We certainly did learn about the Code of Hammurabi. ;-) We love history here.


94 posted on 07/31/2013 6:55:52 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: Kip Russell

I never heard of any of that and don’t know why anyone should!!!


95 posted on 07/31/2013 7:03:30 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
I never heard of any of that and don’t know why anyone should!!!

I must be missing a joke...surely you're not serious?

96 posted on 07/31/2013 7:07:57 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: dalereed

I read about that stuff in my girl’s middle school world history text recently. It was quite interesting. Not sure if I forget it the first time or it is truly new to me.


97 posted on 07/31/2013 7:18:45 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Kip Russell

“I must be missing a joke...surely you’re not serious? “

They never taught any of that stuff 60-70 years ago when I was in school.


98 posted on 07/31/2013 8:14:14 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: dalereed
They never taught any of that stuff 60-70 years ago when I was in school.

You said you'd "never heard of any of that". You've never heard of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, Babylon, cuneiform, Mesopotamia, Hammurabi, ziggurats, ancient Egypt, monotheism, Moses, Jesus, and the Qur'an?

Then you said, "and don’t know why anyone should!!!" Really? You don't think anyone should know anything about any of those subjects?

99 posted on 07/31/2013 8:38:24 PM PDT by Kip Russell (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors -- and miss. ---Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Kip Russell
The rivers i’ve heard of the rest of it no and as far as religion I canned that for hot rods and drag racing when I was 8 years old.
100 posted on 07/31/2013 8:56:31 PM PDT by dalereed
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