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USS Forrestal, the Navy's first supercarrier, sold for 1 cent
Fox news ^ | 10/23/13 | Joshua Rhett Miller

Posted on 10/23/2013 1:04:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants

Here’s a penny for your thoughts: One red cent could’ve landed you the Navy’s first supercarrier, the decommissioned Forrestal.

The U.S. Navy sold the 1,067-foot behemoth to a Texas company, All Star Metals, to be dismantled, scrapped and recycled, Navy officials announced. It's an inauspicious fate for a ship with a colorful — and tragic — history. It's perhaps best known for a 1967 incident in which stray voltage triggered an accidental explosion that struck a plane on the flight deck whose cockpit was occupied by a young John McCain. A chain reaction of blasts and fires ultimately killed 134 men and injured more than 300.

But its rich past and nearly four decades of service are not enough to spare it. The Navy tried to donate the historic ship for use as a memorial or a museum, but no “viable applications” were received.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bhodod; carrier; cv59; forrestal; onecent; penny; usnavy
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The first super carrier goes to the scrapper.
1 posted on 10/23/2013 1:04:43 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants
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To: Blood of Tyrants

At least they didn’t sink it.
I hope the scrappers make some good money off it.


2 posted on 10/23/2013 1:06:51 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The USS Forrestal’s Anchors live on on USS Truman(I think). My First Ship(USS Independence CV-62) Anchors are on the Stennis(I think).


3 posted on 10/23/2013 1:07:19 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

People have NO Idea how HUGE these things are!


4 posted on 10/23/2013 1:08:19 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The scrapper will make a lot on this, I think.


5 posted on 10/23/2013 1:08:47 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: US Navy Vet

Did not know the Navy does that. Nice tradition.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 1:09:06 PM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: US Navy Vet
I don't have room for it out in the garden, that's for sure.

/johnny

7 posted on 10/23/2013 1:09:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ameribbean expat

I didn’t know they did that either as far as “Tradition” goes I think it’s just money(anchors weigh ALOT and are hard to make).


8 posted on 10/23/2013 1:10:35 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It's perhaps best known for a 1967 incident in which stray voltage triggered an accidental explosion that struck a plane on the flight deck whose cockpit was occupied by a young John McCain.

They should have kept the Forrestal and scrapped McCain.

9 posted on 10/23/2013 1:11:55 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Will the steel be headed to our friends in China?


10 posted on 10/23/2013 1:12:45 PM PDT by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Built a wonderful, and BIG, plastic model of it, back in the Fifties.


11 posted on 10/23/2013 1:15:15 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Little Ray

Nothing wrong with an artificial reef. Good for helping out the seafood populations. And they make for a nice dive excursion.

Still, glad the scrapers can make of $$$ on it. Perhaps some of that steel can make it into a new ship or two.


12 posted on 10/23/2013 1:15:47 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Saw the Forrestal when my offspring graduated from Officers school in Providence. They were still using her for night abandon ship training.
13 posted on 10/23/2013 1:16:30 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: Blood of Tyrants

t’s perhaps best known for a 1967 incident in which stray voltage triggered an accidental explosion that struck a plane on the flight deck whose cockpit was occupied by a young John McCain.

Huh, I’ve heard he was hot dogging on the flight deck, but never heard the ‘stray voltage’ comment. Of course, everything needs to be grounded - period - aboard ship.

USN, CTT3, 1988-1992


14 posted on 10/23/2013 1:19:35 PM PDT by ro_dreaming (Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. ItÂ’s been found hard and not tried')
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Referred to as the “FID(First in Defense)” named after the first SecDef James Forrestal.


15 posted on 10/23/2013 1:21:08 PM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I would have paid a quarter, would have to park it in the Gulf because I couldn’t afford the gas. lol.

Could have made it into a floating hospital, be a bonanza when gov care kicks in.


16 posted on 10/23/2013 1:21:19 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It was a grand ship. I toured it in Pearl Harbor in 1985. It was an experience I will always remember.


17 posted on 10/23/2013 1:22:10 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

When I was on the Lexington(74-78), I can’t tell you how many times we had to watch the safety film showing the Forrestal fire.


18 posted on 10/23/2013 1:24:25 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: US Navy Vet

>>People have NO Idea how HUGE these things are!

Some people perhaps. But, a lot of people have stood on the deck of a supercarrier and know how big that are. I was a submariner in the Navy, but I did tour the Forrestal when I was in high school (on DEP) back in 1979.


19 posted on 10/23/2013 1:24:45 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JRandomFreeper

You could moor it out on the lake and move your garden out to the deck.


20 posted on 10/23/2013 1:26:02 PM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I have an idea! I was an ET on the Saratoga, CVA 60. I climbed the antenna mast several times, once while at sea. It is a long way down from there to the flight deck.


21 posted on 10/23/2013 1:26:23 PM PDT by RipSawyer (The TREE currently falling on you actually IS worse than a Bush.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Who?


22 posted on 10/23/2013 1:32:30 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: RipSawyer

I was a radar ET on the Lex. I once had to work on a radar antenna during flight ops. It sure was interesting watching the planes from my perch.


23 posted on 10/23/2013 1:37:33 PM PDT by Elderberry
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To: bgill
I don't think the local lake is deep enough for the draft of a supercarrier. That's a monster ship.

/johnny

24 posted on 10/23/2013 1:38:42 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ro_dreaming

When the F-4 Phantom II pilot switched from external power to internal power, he saw a flash, and a Zuni rocket streaked across the deck and hit the 500-gallon external tank on McCain’s plane, splitting it and igniting it. The A-4’s were loaded with bombs while the F-4 Phantom II’s were prepared for MIGCAP although a Zuni, I would think would be for ground troop suppression and harassment.

Fuel and bombs kept exploding, killing the fire suppression crew. Other men fought back with foam and water, the water washing away the fire-suppressing foam. It eventually burned through the deck into the sleeping quarters below.

Or so, I’ve read.


25 posted on 10/23/2013 1:38:56 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: smoothsailing
I think there were at least two other major fires (albeit not as large as the McCain fire) on the Forrestal.

If memory serves me, one which occurred in the early 70s was set by a young sailor who did not want to deploy on a 6 month Med cruise. He got his wish. The ship did not deploy. Of course, HE did not get to stay in Norfolk - I think Leavenworth may have been his next home.

When I was growing up in Virginia Beach, and the Forrestal was stationed in Norfolk, it was nicknamed the Forestfire.

26 posted on 10/23/2013 1:40:00 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Little Ray

That is $.01 FOB.


27 posted on 10/23/2013 1:41:40 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The draft of a carrier is only about 30 feet. Not too bad.


28 posted on 10/23/2013 1:41:43 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

They will make a fortune. How many tons of copper and brass will they get off it, not to mention the high quality steel.


29 posted on 10/23/2013 1:42:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: central_va
It would be aground in the local lake. ;)

/johnny

30 posted on 10/23/2013 1:43:11 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ro_dreaming

The true reason that a rocket went streaking across the deck from one plane to another will never be known.


31 posted on 10/23/2013 1:43:50 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Elderberry

At least once a year.


32 posted on 10/23/2013 1:44:42 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: bgill

“You could moor it out on the lake and move your garden out to the deck.”

That thing would make a really big planter.


33 posted on 10/23/2013 1:45:49 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I knew some guys 40 years ago who scrapped some smaller boats. They did quite well.

Since I’ve been out of touch with that business for more than a generation, I don’t know what costs are up versus how much more commodities are worth, or in what sort of stripped condition the Navy would relinquish the carrier, but I suspect these guys will do very well.

I’m sad to say, that these days I’m suspicious of anyone who gets a good deal, and I’d be curious as to who said “take it away for a penny” was, what his history is, and who the guys who got it (high bidder at a penny?) were, and if they had any political affiliation with the administration or its supporters.


34 posted on 10/23/2013 1:48:13 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I think it would be cool to keep one of these old carriers running as an amusement park. I’d like to be able to buy an old aircraft carrier, refit/restore it, and run it as a “fantasy” cruise ship, complete with daily flights in restored F4s, A4s, etc.

It would be difficult to run such a project at a profit, but it would certainly be fun, and I bet there are quite a few people out there who would pay a premium to experience real catapult launches, exciting rides in fighter jets, and arresting cable landings.

Hmmm. Maybe I should buy the Saratoga...


35 posted on 10/23/2013 1:55:08 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

But then it’ll probably cost a bazillion dollars to move it to the scrapper’s yard.


36 posted on 10/23/2013 2:03:23 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A lot of people will go to work scrapping that puppy.


37 posted on 10/23/2013 2:08:00 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Blood of Tyrants

38 posted on 10/23/2013 2:09:15 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Scrapping a big ship is no easy task nor is it cheap. Thus the ship breakers in places like India tend to work under the very crudest of conditions in order to turn a profit.

Alang, India would be one example.


39 posted on 10/23/2013 2:10:35 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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. . . it was nicknamed the Forestfire.

Only by idiots like you who never serve aboard her.

40 posted on 10/23/2013 2:21:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

A good friend of mine lost her brother in that 1967 incident on the Forrestal, John Lilla. The local American Legion is named for him...the Manning Lilla Post in Ovid, NY. I didn’t know that many men were killed....what a tragedy.


41 posted on 10/23/2013 2:21:44 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: count-your-change

Strip all the most valuable metals off it, brass, copper, and such, then turn it into an artificial reef.


42 posted on 10/23/2013 2:21:58 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Here’s my friend’s brother who died on the Forrestal, June 29,1967.

http://www.virtualwall.org/dl/LillaJT01a.htm


43 posted on 10/23/2013 2:24:05 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

That’s expensive too as fuel and hydraulic lines need to be either flushed or removed, all tanks cleaned, doors removed and on and on.

And then there is the actual sinking.


44 posted on 10/23/2013 2:27:09 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; ro_dreaming; F15Eagle

If I remember the show on Military Channel correctly the suspected cause was one of the “Puffer” (start carts) was parked too close to the ordinance on the next plane and the heat from the exhaust cooked of the first round and then All H&!! broke loose.

No matter what the origin was the results are the same.

Maybe mc lame remembers /s


45 posted on 10/23/2013 2:27:23 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

46 posted on 10/23/2013 2:28:08 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: ez

Correction...JULY 29, 1967.


47 posted on 10/23/2013 2:30:40 PM PDT by ez (Muslims do not play well with others.)
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To: Jacquerie

i served aboard her..

we called her the USS Zippo....

and yes the sailors did call her the forestfire..

it is clear to me that YOU never served aboard her..


48 posted on 10/23/2013 2:51:05 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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You're full of sh!t and a d@amn liar.

I did four cruises and her nickname was the FID.

49 posted on 10/23/2013 2:56:19 PM PDT by Jacquerie (An Article V amendment convention is our only hope.)
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To: DannyTN

Look at the air wing in that pic. In many ways it is far superior to what we have on the decks of the carriers today. Today we have no carrier-based ASW capability, like the S-3. The A-6E was superior to the F/A-18 in all weather attack in terms of range and payload. The A-7 was superior to the F/A-18 in range and payload too. And of course the F-14 could fly circles around the F/A-18. And we had more aircraft on board back then to boot.


50 posted on 10/23/2013 3:01:42 PM PDT by LSUfan
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