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Family: Louisiana Police stun father as son died in house fire
ConnectTriStates ^ | 11/01/2013 | Kris Wernowsky

Posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604

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To: Vendome

How’s about “hero”? Now, rather than anything noble, dad will just be a shell of man who maybe could have made a difference. What good would he be to his other child then?

Some folks just don’t get passionate, selfless, stupid love.

Sad for them.


61 posted on 11/06/2013 9:52:20 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: wideawake
I think it is moral and right and just for a man to do whatever it takes-including sacrificing his life-to save his child.

I think it is immoral, blinkered and just plain wicked to hinder a man so engaged, and doubly immoral to do so when you are in a position to help him instead.

My moral judgement is unclouded. The father was courageously attempting to fulfill his God-given responsibility to his family. The policeman is morally bankrupt and worse than a coward for assaulting him in the act.

62 posted on 11/06/2013 9:53:16 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot
There was no guarantee that the father was going to die in the attempt.

There may have been a guarantee, there may not have been.

Neither of us were there in the moment - but the cop may have arrived at the scene when it was already in a condition where the child was - to his mind - certainly gone.

According to the press accounts, the fire began in the back room where the child was.

And while we are on the sublject of decent human beings, a decent human being would have tried to save the child.

If the child was saveable. If the house is a small, wood framed house and is engulfed in flames, there is zero chance the child is alive.

The press accounts seem to describe exactly this scenario.

Our erstwhile cop instead assaulted the only person on the scene willing to do so.

That's the question: was there any realistic chance at all that the child was even alive? A stepfather consumed with unreasoning panic and grief might not be the best judge of the odds, but an experienced police officer might be the best judge available.

63 posted on 11/06/2013 9:53:47 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Manly Warrior

He would not have made a difference.

He would be dead.

A dead hero but, aren’t most hero’s successful in their efforts?

I understand the “It’s my choice” position but, really, even cops can make a humane and right decision.

I know I would have run back into the house myself but, if a fireman can’t go back in then what good, mercy or praise comes from allowing a man to die?


64 posted on 11/06/2013 9:55:15 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: wideawake

The old man kept going back in for his shoes.

The old woman went back in for the old mans shoes and to get a blanket for the kid.

The kid was cold so the old woman kept sending/taking him back to bed.

We had to kick in the front door to get in.

We could see them walking around through the glass , but they weren’t trying to get out and wouldn’t open the door.

The house was a small, 75-89yo all wood house.

When the fire dept got there they didn’t even try to put it out, it was already staring to fall down.


65 posted on 11/06/2013 9:55:49 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: wideawake
A decent human being does not stand around and watch someone kill himself and no one can tell me or anyone else that I have any obligation to just watch a suicide and do nothing about it.

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This wasn't suicide, it was an attempt to rescue his child from a hideous death. No decent human being would assault another human being for that.

66 posted on 11/06/2013 9:56:04 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604

Dont we love government custody? Heck, the dad was paying taxes for his pay, he is enlisted by the state and must follow orders, who cares about the kid? (Sarc)


67 posted on 11/06/2013 9:59:02 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: Resolute Conservative

No reason to make it personal.

1st. The man ran out the back door and past the baby, who as in a back room. Why didn’t he grab the kid then?

Who knows. Tragic.

2nd. Allowing another person to die, under obvious circumstances, is manslaughter.

3rd. Allowing another tragedy only compounds the tragedy.

Would his wife and other child be comforted in the knowledge he gave it his best, valiant effort but, lost his life?

The other child would be without his dad, the wife without her husband to comfort her in grief.

Sometimes the hardest decisions in life require a thick face and a black heart.


68 posted on 11/06/2013 9:59:07 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: jboot

Yeah but no one is actually doing anything.

And no, I do not know what should be done at this point in time. But standing there staring open-mouthed and appalled isn’t stopping any of it.


69 posted on 11/06/2013 9:59:31 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: Vendome

It would be very personal.


70 posted on 11/06/2013 10:00:04 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Vendome

Especially after finding the child was 15 feet from the door.


71 posted on 11/06/2013 10:01:21 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Vendome

First off...I don’t think the firemen were even there yet when the father tried to enter the house. They did not come till later when things had been burning longer. I believe the story is gravely misleading in that way.

secondly they found the little boy just 12 feet from the front door.

3rd. It is not the call of police to decide if you live or die in your trying to save a loved one.


72 posted on 11/06/2013 10:01:26 AM PST by Revel
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To: wideawake
A stepfather consumed with unreasoning panic and grief might not be the best judge of the odds, but an experienced police officer might be the best judge available.

And at what point did the father sign over his right to self-determination to said "experienced police officer"?

He broke no law, and yet had his right to self-determination, his right to make decisions for his family and his right to be secure in his person taken away by a low-level government official without warrant, trial or even probable cause. This man was violated. Everything else-arguing over how hot the fire was, etc-is sophistry.

73 posted on 11/06/2013 10:01:37 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Anton.Rutter
The man was on his own property trying to save his child.

The child was, given all the press reports, already sadly gone.

There was no longer a child to save.

What was his crime that made a father`s rights "imaginary"?

It's less a matter of a crime, but holding him to prevent him from committing suicide.

And have you told your children that under a cop`s orders, you`d see them burn?

I hope that you are far more intelligent than that question makes you seem.

I would expect that if I were out of my right mind someone would have the kindness to prevent me from unintentionally killing myself for no practical reason.

I would also hope that if my home caught fire I would have the presence of mind to grab my children first before I exited the house, rather than escape by myself and only afterwards decide to save my kids.

74 posted on 11/06/2013 10:02:12 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Rusty0604
Louisiana's finest making sure they can increase revenue by collecting a fat fine from dad. They couldn't collect a dime if he died trying or successfully saved his baby.

I wonder how much the kid was worth?

75 posted on 11/06/2013 10:03:20 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Adder

Not all action is overt, and preparations are still ongoing. But if this goes on something has got to give, and soon.


76 posted on 11/06/2013 10:03:43 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Vendome

Maybe you didn’t get the point about willing to lay ones life down for a friend. Many do.

Therein lies the rub.

Perhaps you ought to reflect on how many “hero’s actually don’t survive. The surviving part is not a requisite, otherwise the situation would not call for uncommon valor, just careful planning and a proper risk assessment, the right equipment on hand and a timeline leading to eternity.... which is what we see on TV, but not in real life.

I understand the LEOs position, but his actions, however legal did notmake the situation any easier; nor enable the beating of all odds, or the dying in trying.

No amount of Monday QBing will bring the child back. Only thing left is for the parties involved to remain sane. May the grace of Jesus comfort the family and forgiveness and peace reign.


77 posted on 11/06/2013 10:03:52 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War")
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To: MrEdd
It is no longer a question of who's word to believe, and the police relied on that dynamic to cover up just as much stuff in the past as they get caught doing now.

I think you have a very good observation there.

78 posted on 11/06/2013 10:06:31 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Rusty0604

If the fire was bad enough that the parents exited the house without the child, maybe the officer made the right call.


79 posted on 11/06/2013 10:07:17 AM PST by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Vendome

“State Fire Marshal Investigator Scott Stoneberger said that a firefighter in full gear attempted to enter the home but the flames were too hot. Firefighters discovered Riley near the doorway to the bedroom from the front living room.”

Do you notice that no time frame is given for that act. When did the firemen enter in relation to when the father tried to enter. I smell deception here. If there was a fireman there in full gear ready to go in then the father sure as heck would not have been trying to go in.

NEVER TRUST THE MEDIA

We now live in a world of deception. So look for every possible deception in life.


80 posted on 11/06/2013 10:07:52 AM PST by Revel
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