Posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604
How’s about “hero”? Now, rather than anything noble, dad will just be a shell of man who maybe could have made a difference. What good would he be to his other child then?
Some folks just don’t get passionate, selfless, stupid love.
Sad for them.
I think it is immoral, blinkered and just plain wicked to hinder a man so engaged, and doubly immoral to do so when you are in a position to help him instead.
My moral judgement is unclouded. The father was courageously attempting to fulfill his God-given responsibility to his family. The policeman is morally bankrupt and worse than a coward for assaulting him in the act.
There may have been a guarantee, there may not have been.
Neither of us were there in the moment - but the cop may have arrived at the scene when it was already in a condition where the child was - to his mind - certainly gone.
According to the press accounts, the fire began in the back room where the child was.
And while we are on the sublject of decent human beings, a decent human being would have tried to save the child.
If the child was saveable. If the house is a small, wood framed house and is engulfed in flames, there is zero chance the child is alive.
The press accounts seem to describe exactly this scenario.
Our erstwhile cop instead assaulted the only person on the scene willing to do so.
That's the question: was there any realistic chance at all that the child was even alive? A stepfather consumed with unreasoning panic and grief might not be the best judge of the odds, but an experienced police officer might be the best judge available.
He would not have made a difference.
He would be dead.
A dead hero but, aren’t most hero’s successful in their efforts?
I understand the “It’s my choice” position but, really, even cops can make a humane and right decision.
I know I would have run back into the house myself but, if a fireman can’t go back in then what good, mercy or praise comes from allowing a man to die?
The old man kept going back in for his shoes.
The old woman went back in for the old mans shoes and to get a blanket for the kid.
The kid was cold so the old woman kept sending/taking him back to bed.
We had to kick in the front door to get in.
We could see them walking around through the glass , but they weren’t trying to get out and wouldn’t open the door.
The house was a small, 75-89yo all wood house.
When the fire dept got there they didn’t even try to put it out, it was already staring to fall down.
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This wasn't suicide, it was an attempt to rescue his child from a hideous death. No decent human being would assault another human being for that.
Dont we love government custody? Heck, the dad was paying taxes for his pay, he is enlisted by the state and must follow orders, who cares about the kid? (Sarc)
No reason to make it personal.
1st. The man ran out the back door and past the baby, who as in a back room. Why didn’t he grab the kid then?
Who knows. Tragic.
2nd. Allowing another person to die, under obvious circumstances, is manslaughter.
3rd. Allowing another tragedy only compounds the tragedy.
Would his wife and other child be comforted in the knowledge he gave it his best, valiant effort but, lost his life?
The other child would be without his dad, the wife without her husband to comfort her in grief.
Sometimes the hardest decisions in life require a thick face and a black heart.
Yeah but no one is actually doing anything.
And no, I do not know what should be done at this point in time. But standing there staring open-mouthed and appalled isn’t stopping any of it.
It would be very personal.
Especially after finding the child was 15 feet from the door.
First off...I don’t think the firemen were even there yet when the father tried to enter the house. They did not come till later when things had been burning longer. I believe the story is gravely misleading in that way.
secondly they found the little boy just 12 feet from the front door.
3rd. It is not the call of police to decide if you live or die in your trying to save a loved one.
And at what point did the father sign over his right to self-determination to said "experienced police officer"?
He broke no law, and yet had his right to self-determination, his right to make decisions for his family and his right to be secure in his person taken away by a low-level government official without warrant, trial or even probable cause. This man was violated. Everything else-arguing over how hot the fire was, etc-is sophistry.
The child was, given all the press reports, already sadly gone.
There was no longer a child to save.
What was his crime that made a father`s rights "imaginary"?
It's less a matter of a crime, but holding him to prevent him from committing suicide.
And have you told your children that under a cop`s orders, you`d see them burn?
I hope that you are far more intelligent than that question makes you seem.
I would expect that if I were out of my right mind someone would have the kindness to prevent me from unintentionally killing myself for no practical reason.
I would also hope that if my home caught fire I would have the presence of mind to grab my children first before I exited the house, rather than escape by myself and only afterwards decide to save my kids.
I wonder how much the kid was worth?
Not all action is overt, and preparations are still ongoing. But if this goes on something has got to give, and soon.
Maybe you didn’t get the point about willing to lay ones life down for a friend. Many do.
Therein lies the rub.
Perhaps you ought to reflect on how many “hero’s actually don’t survive. The surviving part is not a requisite, otherwise the situation would not call for uncommon valor, just careful planning and a proper risk assessment, the right equipment on hand and a timeline leading to eternity.... which is what we see on TV, but not in real life.
I understand the LEOs position, but his actions, however legal did notmake the situation any easier; nor enable the beating of all odds, or the dying in trying.
No amount of Monday QBing will bring the child back. Only thing left is for the parties involved to remain sane. May the grace of Jesus comfort the family and forgiveness and peace reign.
I think you have a very good observation there.
If the fire was bad enough that the parents exited the house without the child, maybe the officer made the right call.
“State Fire Marshal Investigator Scott Stoneberger said that a firefighter in full gear attempted to enter the home but the flames were too hot. Firefighters discovered Riley near the doorway to the bedroom from the front living room.”
Do you notice that no time frame is given for that act. When did the firemen enter in relation to when the father tried to enter. I smell deception here. If there was a fireman there in full gear ready to go in then the father sure as heck would not have been trying to go in.
NEVER TRUST THE MEDIA
We now live in a world of deception. So look for every possible deception in life.
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