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JFK Assassination: One Month After JFK’s Murder, Former President Truman Called For Abolishing CIA
International Business News ^ | January 13, 2014 | Joseph Lazzaro

Posted on 01/15/2014 10:24:56 AM PST by RetiredArmy

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To: topher

Laying it out that way, wow, he really made some serious enemies and pissed off a lot of people.

I don’t want to seem like I’m idealizing the guy, either. I’m no fan of the Kennedy clan. Hell, the drunken sot Chappaquiddick Ted couldn’t croak fast enough for me.

But at the very least, JFK wasn’t a communist piece of crap like most dems are today... and it just - galls the hell out of me - that it could be pulled off like that, so easily.

And I remember reading somewhere about all of the eyewitness deaths that occurred shortly afterwards as well. Murder upon murder... and gotten away with, apparently.

I was three when it happened, so everything I know of it, has been basically what we’ve found out over the intervening years. Also read Manchester’s “Death of a President” and “They’ve Killed The President” when I was a teen.

It’s just one of those things where I’d like to see some justice done.


61 posted on 01/15/2014 4:24:12 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Pelham
"Well if Stone said it has to be true /sarc Assassination investigators had an Army specialist attempt to replicate Oswald’s 3 shots using Oswald’s rifle exactly as it was found in the Book Depository."

Are you sure about that?

2) The rifle couldn't be perfectly sighted in using the scope (i.e., thereby eliminating the above overshoot completely) without installing two metal shims (small metal plates), which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing, and were never found.[64] Frazier testified that there was "a rather severe scrape" on the scope tube, and that the sight could have been bent or damaged. He was unable to determine when the defect occurred before the FBI received the rifle and scope on November 27, 1963.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle

62 posted on 01/15/2014 4:44:23 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: topher

Yes he certainly had lots of enemies. But who but the government could falsely autopsy results? I don’t think the mob or Castro has his brain, only the government knows where it is.


63 posted on 01/15/2014 4:44:23 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: MHGinTN
The only fact that the oligarchs will allow the common folks to know about that day in Dallas is that the President was murdered.

And after they allowed that, they turned him into a piece of trash with the all of the alleged sex scandals. I remember thinking that wow, I am supposed to hate this guy now.

64 posted on 01/15/2014 4:44:23 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: NFHale

Rest assured they will not get away with it. God is on the throne and he sees everything.


65 posted on 01/15/2014 4:57:22 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner

You know, sometimes I think that too... but as I’ve gotten older, I’m of the mindset that I’d rather see outright bastards pay dearly for treachery than wait for “celestial justice”...

And a few times they did pay... Mussolini getting strung up upside down; Hitler doing the gasoline shake and bake outside the Bunker; Lenin croaking; Stalin croaking; Trosky getting the axe; Mao croaking; Che getting a whole bunch of holes blown through him... Khomenie getting spun out of his casket by grief-crazed sand fleas... Ceausescu getting a whole bunch of holes blown through him... Kaddafi and his lunacy being extinguished. Saddam Hussein getting hanged.

That’s justice.

Hundreds of thousands of murdered souls, and the bastards of the world just go on murdering more. But once in a while, you get to witness some of the bastards getting their well-deserved rewards at the hands of their would-be victims.

Waiting for some ethereal version of justice... I just can’t go there anymore. It’s not enough for me. Maybe some day, it will be, but not now.


66 posted on 01/15/2014 5:07:22 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Karl Spooner

Welcome to Free Republic, by the way, in case no one told you.


67 posted on 01/15/2014 5:08:26 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Boogieman; bunster; RetiredArmy; Brad from Tennessee

I read an interesting book somewhere that pretty much debunked the universal myth of the omnipotent CIA with their devilish cunning manipulating the world with their evil trickery and instead pointed out that the CIA hardly achieved one damn thing that helped American interests anywhere on the planet.

They propped up the wrong governments, funneled billions of dollars to crooks and incompetents, utterly misread the situation on the ground, took at face value whatever BS their “allies” in their theater of action told them and never foresaw any of the world-changing events that occurred in the decades after their formation.

They assumed the Soviet Union would last indefinitely, indeed they described East Germany as the world’s ninth largest economy right up until the Wall fell, they didn’t anticipate the rise of Islamism, missed out on the warning signs prior to the Korean War, the Yom Kippur War and the first Gulf War, had no idea about what was going on in the Arab Spring, screwed up the Vietnam War magisterially, etc etc.

I guess if you think of them less as super-spies with James Bond like powers and think of them more as paper shufflers who have a nice cosy berth in the government it all becomes clearer.


68 posted on 01/15/2014 6:11:15 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: NFHale

Do you know by any chance what the Marksmanship categories are for the Marine Corps? (as in what they were in ‘61-’63/Oswald) I believe he was labeled a “marksman” which I thought was the lowest level.


69 posted on 01/15/2014 6:13:31 PM PST by bunster
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To: PotatoHeadMick

We won the Cold War.


70 posted on 01/15/2014 6:24:09 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: PotatoHeadMick

Yeah, they had some systemic weaknesses that really contributed to some major screw-ups. Like you say, they were a bureaucracy, so they were subject to the same problems as all bureaucracies, like middle managers pushing their own agendas without much restraint, and groupthink getting in the way of better ideas.

And their “allies” that you talk about, well a lot of them were the same types who turn out to be habitual police informants. Drug dealers, thieves, drug addicts, etc. At least the police know to take everything the informants say with a grain of salt, but I don’t think the CIA had that wariness built up.


71 posted on 01/15/2014 6:30:32 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: bunster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marksmanship_Badge_%28United_States%29

Gives a good overall view.


72 posted on 01/15/2014 6:52:50 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

Thanks — answers my question. He was a Marksman with an inferior rifle. From Top down: Expert, Sharpshooter, Marksman.

Although he qualified in 1956 as Sharpshooter by the end of career in 1959 he had dropped to Marksman and no evidence that he practiced anywhere in the ensuing years. (Unless in Russia, ha ha)


73 posted on 01/15/2014 7:16:33 PM PST by bunster
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To: Karl Spooner

The scope was offline but it wasn’t bad enough to keep the marksmen from hitting their targets at distances approximating Kennedy’s distance from Oswald. And it’s possible that the scope was sighted better before Oswald disposed of it in his rush to leave the Depository- the scrape on the scope tube could be a sign of that.

The rifle tests are described in this section of the Warren Report. You’ll want to read pages 444-447. It’s a PDF file. They had three men test the rifle, mostly using the scope but once with the iron sights.

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh3/pdf/WH3_Simmons.pdf


74 posted on 01/15/2014 7:27:39 PM PST by Pelham (Obamacare, the vanguard of Obammunism)
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To: RetiredArmy

Physics tells the story of conspiracy or not. Watch the headshot. Energy is transferred to an object in the same direction it is moving. In this case, right to left...........NOT down and rear to front...


75 posted on 01/15/2014 9:01:23 PM PST by ALASKA (Disgusted......)
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To: bunster

It is two shots in six seconds, when you consider the clock starts with the first shot. Easily done.


76 posted on 01/16/2014 2:15:11 AM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: NFHale

Get your facts straight. The Bullet was not pristine and it was in Connally’s thigh, not from Kennedy’s stretcher.


77 posted on 01/16/2014 2:18:02 AM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: mfish13

“...Get your facts straight....”

I’ll make a note of it.


78 posted on 01/16/2014 4:51:40 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: mfish13

Can you take 3 shots in 6 seconds?


79 posted on 01/16/2014 6:29:59 AM PST by bunster
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To: NFHale

Thank you for citing the difference!


80 posted on 01/16/2014 6:37:55 AM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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