Ukraine: Can Someone Explain…

self | jimjohn

[Freelance Warrior]

A EU citizen can live and work anywhere in EU, enough for your cheating heart?

Noone offers Ukraines a place in the EU. The treaty is about shrinking Ukraine's food exports to Europe and renovating the Uk infrastructure a-la EU (including the railway gauge) and guess on whose account.

[Faith65]

BFL

[mad_as_he$$]

BTW she has been outed a “fake”.

http://open.salon.com/blog/mary_mycio/2011/01/21/the_chernobyl_biker_chick_that_wasnt

[Freelance Warrior]

Ukraine's main export products are steel (Krivorozhstahl situated in the East, food (southern steppe provinces, machinery (which could be sold to Russia and CIS only). Nothing in the Western part of the country. The Ukraine's population is something 45 mln - more than Poland (38 mln) or the three Baltic states (1-2 mln each). I believe the Brits would be very happy when the Ukrainians have got their access to their labour market.

Russia constitutes 25% of the both Uk imports and exports.

[cunning_fish]

>>Read here in #57 what happens on a daily basis over there http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3115797/posts?q=1&;page=51<<

Ukrainian government were into such a tricks long before Yanukovitz.

[Ivan Mazepa]

There’s more dignity in cleaning European toilets than being a government victim accepting pennies working in a subsidized coal mine, in my opinion. But I don’t want to judge them too harshly, they’re also Ukrainians and have their own life realities. The money that work migrants bring in is invested into the local economy and is taxed when the work migrants start spending it. << shouldn’t really be said, it’s so obvious

The Billionaires in the East is not a reference to the dirt poor millions but to the Communist factory directors who started reading Adam Smith in 1991. Nothing class warfare about the current crisis, just your regular corrupt president trying to contain a revolt

[cunning_fish]

>>>There’s more dignity in cleaning European toilets than being a government victim accepting pennies working in a subsidized coal mine, in my opinion<<<

Subsidized by whom?:)

[Ivan Mazepa]

I like this post better, nothing really to disagree with.

After each crisis (1991, 2004) there was hope that Ukraine will be a state ruled by law, but this didn’t materialize. Each infraction of the law should have been confronted, rather than tolerated until it became unbearable and exploded. Additional factor today is that there are casualties, so maybe, that will be more of a motivation to obey the law in the new post-crisis Ukraine. I do pray they wise up

[Grzegorz 246]

I know that.

[Lukasz]

Personally I believe that all of this is inspired by Soros buddies. The EU has little to offer to the Ukrainians, they don’t let them join. Opposition is divided and they already had one successful revolution. Their poor governing and internal quarrels let Yanukovich to be elected once again.

If Ukrainians are so pro-EU like all the media claim, let them elect politicians that support this direction. All these revolutions destabilize the country.

Perhaps Ukraine should decide to be divided if both sides have so different expectations. This is better solution than countless revolutions.

[Ivan Mazepa]

I’m not saying Westerners subsidize the East, subsidies are from the central government in Kiev. The East contributes the most to the country’s budget, but they also take out the most. It’s a zero sum game, the net benefit is zero, (or negative, I can’t recall at the moment) I can post a reference when I get home, if you like

[cunning_fish]

>>I can post a reference when I get home, if you like<<

You are welcome.

>>subsidies are from the central government in Kiev. <<

I’m not asking who are redistributing wealth, but who are earning that money....

>>The East contributes the most to the country’s budget<<

...and here it seems to be your answer.

Under such conditions you cans say the East is subsidized by the government in Kiev.

In reality it is feeding both the West and corrupt central government, being robbed blind by the latter and given back right enough to stay afloat near bankruptcy.

[Grzegorz 246]

He says that the east contributes the most but is also the largest benefit of government expenditures through subsidies for corporations... (so money goes from the east to Kiev and back, not to other regions) I would like to see that data myself and I don't know If that's true or not but it is definitely not impossible that government is heavily subsidizing for example coal sector so people have jobs and angry miners don't come to capital and start protests. This is what briefly was very common in all ex-commie countries and to some degree still happens and not only in ex-commie countries, Germans recently spent a lot to subsidize their automotive industry and there go “renewables” in all the western world and bullshits how cool it is, how many new “green jobs” are created when in fact these are all artificial jobs, which would have never existed hadn't they been subsidize by all taxpayers.

[Dead Corpse]

I’m half Ukrainian. Grandparents were from a small village about a days walk South of Lviv. Between the holodomor and WWII, the village isn’t there anymore...

I’ve tried to keep up with some of the live feeds. I wish them the best of luck. The government takes the gloves off, it’s going to get nasty quick.

[Dead Corpse]

Wrong. The interviews I’ve seen border more on the “tired of having a corrupt government completely unanswerable to the People and largely only for the benefit of politically connected interests”.

Yanukovych has been consolidating power under his Presidency and acting a bit like A Dictator backed with Moscow money.

Sound familiar?

[dfwgator]

Grandparents were from a small village about a days walk South of Lviv. Between the holodomor and WWII, the village isn’t there anymore...

Wasn't it a part of Poland before WWII?

[Dead Corpse]

Grandma was pretty adamant that we were Ukrainian, not Polish. But yeah, the border in the region is pretty fluid.

[Fightin Whitey]

Go watch the movie backwards.

I tried it but the soundtrack wouldn't work: kept saying, "Paul is dead, Paul is dead..."

[Ivan Mazepa]

>>I can post a reference when I get home, if you like<< You are welcome.

???

[Ivan Mazepa]

I like how you can make a statement that east is feeding the west and I’m the one who has to look for references to show it’s not so.

Sorry, I’m at work and my phone doesn’t have the Ukrainian keyboard installed to do the search. I’ll send the link from home