Posted on 06/07/2014 2:04:11 AM PDT by Olog-hai
Agreed - see my reply #20
I’m sorry to hear about your sons.
Would be interested, however, on whether with your perspective and involvement you have any thoughts on better assuring that the afflicted get the care they need—and that that small percentage who would go off violently are kept from doing damage.
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/twins/
The comment I made should have included the term ‘gene’. If you check on identical twins they have the same DNA which means 100% chance if one has schizophrenia gene, the other one has the gene...whether or not they develop it...period.
I think I made that clear in my reply to another poster who said it was an 80% chance of developing schizophrenia if the other one had it. I clarified to them that I am talking about the “gene for schizophrenia”, which may not always manifest. Same DNA is Same DNA.
Schizoaffective Disorder is not the topic here....it has another element to it according to you, so not the exact same issue.
Schizophrenia is explained in Abnormal Psychology, that I took in college among other psychologies to get my CJ Degree....a required course in my discipline.
You can be on all the program studies you want, but reading comprehension needs to be applied. I am sorry you only read the first comment and not the corrected second comment, which corrected my actual comment. There are varying percentages on identical twins...some say 60% some say more.
So my question to you is ‘Are your twins identical or paternal’ because we are only talking about IDENTICAL TWINS here.
So where there are more people, there are more sick kids. Weird.
Junk science of skunk science.
Excuse me...why did you not read the article from the genetics professionals I provided.
Please do not comment about this again as you don’t bother reading the information I provided in the comment...unbelievable. Go home and argue with someone else...this isn’t about being right on FR it’s about genetics research.
This is not my opinion it is the facts from professional genetic researchers:
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/twins/
Thank you, someone who gets what I said, as well as what I meant.
When they say environment ( I don’t think of weather, fog, or environmental) I think it s more about where they go and what they are exposed to.... meaning their twin sibling may not have been exposed to the same thing. Such as toxins at a place where it’s unknown, etc. Do you know what I mean there?
I agree about the actual development of the Schizophrenia at about 50-80%....I took classes a long time ago, but the standard pressure of environment like sports, stresses, hormones, etc the schizophrenia hit most males between ages of 16-24 on average. I don’t know if that’s the same statistic now, but if one identical twin played football and one didn’t, that stress could cause the onset.
Here is link...and scroll down to second part of article where it claims 50%%, but I’ve seen 50-60-80 % in various places.
They don’t know anything.
Sorry if I did not see your corrected comment, I was in a rush to get to my class. My only point is there is more to developing Schizophrenia than genetics (and it’s more complex than “a gene”). Genetics plays a role certainly, but we really don’t have all the answers as to what things cause that second hit, so that I’m not as inclined to poo poo an environmental study as some might be.
I will send you a note tonight when done with my training today.
LOL!
One more reason to destroy the coal industry and impose massive tax increases and rate hikes on the poorest of the poor: “It’s for the children! How can you be so heartless as to deny this settled science?!”
I think science is finding a lot more information out there than when some of us went to school...and although it does not negate most of what we learned ...it does open up new avenues of understanding. I realized you hadn’t read the other post.
I think it’s wonderful that you are involved. Especially because you have first hand knowledge others will never see.
Thanks.
I don’t think we know yet how one identical twin will get schizophrenia when another one will not..although environment somehow plays a part....the definition of environment in this case is not fog, weather, or something the twins would have in common. Most likely it is factor X...something one comes in contact with or has inside... that the other one does not, probably over a prolonged period. And other factors that cause other mental illnesses could be at play...like stress or brain chemicals...etc.
However, that is my belief not a scientist study.
The important part of understanding the identical twins and genes is that 50-80% do both get schizophrenia, although the percentage varies in the studies, maybe due to geography, who knows. That trigger element may be more available or in stronger contact in certain areas than others...just speculation here.
However an over 50-80 tells us genes do play a part...so it’s not the percentage that doesn’t get it that tells us this, it’s the percentage that does.
Do you understand what I am saying from a scientific point of view? I’m not discounting what you say at all. The important issue is that ‘identical twins’ are unique in the fact that their DNA is identical....
BTW, Haldol has been found to be antimicrobial.
100% of smokers don’t develop lung cancer. Is lung cancer mostly genetic or mostly environmental?
If those with the genetic predisposition were never exposed to cigs would they develop lung cancer?
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