Posted on 06/27/2014 5:09:42 PM PDT by kingattax
Somehow we have to defeat the media or I don't think we will ever win.
I am convinced one of the reasons our spineless Republican congress doesn't do anything is because they fear the media.
That’s why I talk about the end game ... the military knows it’s going nowhere. You’re not going to find any military person doing that ... :-) ...
The first military person who might be stupid enough to even speak the first words about doing so, would be out of the military in two seconds, if not in a military prison ... LOL ...
It’s not the media simply by itself ... It’s really “the public” that they fear. It’s the media that can get the public going.
And in reality they SHOULD FEAR THE PUBLIC. They’re right in that sentiment.
Wait, that might be termed racist ....
Let me try this another way: NO WAY Obama gets impeached because Spray-on-Tan John Boehner doesn't have the balls.
Obama should've been impeached LONG AGO. Even Obama knows it, that's why he's calling Boehner's lawsuit "a stunt."
Obama could call up his friends the Iranians, North Koreans, or maybe some of those Manpads, or maybe some of the military firepower we gave to ISIS, or...... you name it. One little EMP is all it would take.
Or he could have his communist-Islamist buddies make another run on the bank, sending us into martial law and all those DHS hollow-point bullets and body bags come in handy.
Or he could let all the Hamas and Hezbollah operatives who were flown in direct flights from Iran to Venezuela come in through our southern border, set up camp in every state’s capital city, and put bio weapons in our drinking water.
Or you name it.
He doesn’t have to use the military. In fact, he could keep everything secret from the military and the only sign that he might blow things up is the connections he’s had with OTHER people who have attacked America - stuff like funding, arming, training, harboring, defending, releasing, excusing, etc those who have said they will destroy this country, be it folks like Bill Ayers or folks like the 5 Gitmo guys (and the “known terrorist”-classified Saudi “person of interest” in the Boston Marathon bombing) he set free or the cartel-allied Hezbollah and Hamas agents he’s been keeping our southern door wide open for, for the past 5 years.
When the military sees somebody who has a FANTASTIC opportunity to destroy the country, has spent his whole life aligned with those who have sworn to destroy the country, and who has funded, trained, equipped, harbored, set free, defended, etc those sworn to destroy the country .... what obligation do they have?
Let’s say somebody who matched that description was a pilot on a plane with 500 passengers on board and he’d already done a dry run of an attack. Who could do anything about it, and under what authorization from the Constitution?
Fortunately, the worms are eating the brain that voted that way.......
You are exactly right.
See what I just posted about military people seeing somebody with means, motive, and opportunity to blow up a plane just like his buddies in the groups he officially joined have always said they would do.
How many people in the military do you think would consider that they had a responsibility to stop it/
Ty Woods was under orders to NOT go to the CIA outpost. How many of our military guys are laughing at his “stupidity” for responding to save lives when he knew they were in danger?
Tell me about Ty Woods. Was he a hero, or the world’s stupidest villain who couldn’t see the “end game”?
Ah, yes. Who can recall the halcyon days of the Clinton impeachment without recalling the glorious memory of Arlen Specter and his timely discovery of "Scottish law"?
Not to mention the firm and honorable leadership of Trent Lott...
You do know that terrorists have been acting inside this country and many have been apprehended. In every case I’ve been aware of here inside this country, the civilian system of justice took care if it, not the military.
Now, there is the Fort Hood shooter and he was active military and it was handled by military justice. He wasn’t the Commander in Chief, however ... :-) ...
You’re not going to find someone in a “lower position of authority” in the military going after someone in a higher position of authority, unless they have orders from someone who is in a higher position, still ... or has the authority that gives him that higher position.
In other words, the “Commander in Chief” is not arrested by his “underlings” ... LOL ...
Now just where does this “higher authority” reside in order to deal with crimes by the Commander in Chief. The founding fathers gave us that authority, and that’s through the US Constitution and the US House of Representatives, and the US Senate (all together). That’s where the “higher authority” resides.
And it’s up to them to decide to “do something” or to “do nothing”.
You don’t seem to understand the difference between law enforcement and national defense. And you’re totally unwilling to address the NDAA, War Powers Act, or anything else I’ve actually brought up. All you say, over and over again, is “It’ll never happen here. Impeachment is the only thing anybody can ever do to Obama.”
I don’t buy that. Unless you can show me where in the NDAA it excludes the POTUS from being detained, he too can and should be detained if he is determined to be an enemy combatant.
As to whether anybody in the military would do what was necessary to save a lot of lives, even if it meant going over and above somebody above them - do you think the guys at Ft Hood thought twice about the rank of Nidal Hasan, and whether they had authority to try to stop him from shooting up the place?
Amnd again, what say you about Ty Woods? Hero, or totally unconstitutional stupido?
You don’t seem to understand the difference between law enforcement and national defense. And you’re totally unwilling to address the NDAA, War Powers Act, or anything else I’ve actually brought up. All you say, over and over again, is “It’ll never happen here. Impeachment is the only thing anybody can ever do to Obama.”
I don’t buy that. Unless you can show me where in the NDAA it excludes the POTUS from being detained, he too can and should be detained if he is determined to be an enemy combatant.
As to whether anybody in the military would do what was necessary to save a lot of lives, even if it meant going over and above somebody above them - do you think the guys at Ft Hood thought twice about the rank of Nidal Hasan, and whether they had authority to try to stop him from shooting up the place?
Amnd again, what say you about Ty Woods? Hero, or totally unconstitutional stupido?
If our military doesn’t have contingency plans for this potential event, then they are negligent.
Especially after Nidal Hasan, when it was seen in technicolor that the enemy intends to infiltrate the highest places they can.
Do you think any of our military people have watched “Valkyrie” and asked themselves what they would do in that situation? Do you think they have ever talked about what might have been?
I would like to believe our military men and women are high enough caliber people that at least some of them do think about serious hypothetical scenarios such as this - and that the military ENCOURAGES them to think through all the dilemmas that they might confront. At least as hypotheticals, but I think there are lots in the military who recognize that with every move Obama makes to help our enemies and piss on America, it becomes less hypothetical all the time.
And I can tell you for a fact that Lt Col Terry Lakin and a bunch of other military people have pondered these questions very, very seriously. I know because I’ve heard them.
It’s the US Constitution that gives us the mechanism for dealing with the US President. Just follow the Constitution; there’s no need for “contortions” when it’s outlined so clearly in the Constitution.
When someone ignores a the clear provision of the US Constitution designed specifically to deal with an issue (like a President committing crimes in office) - then that’s a pretty clear sign that they know they ARE NOT ABLE TO FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION in doing what they say they want to accomplish.
Again, it’s REAL SIMPLE ... follow the US Constitution and get the US House of Representatives to put forth Articles of Impeachment. Then get the US Senate to convict.
Good luck ...
Too focused on something that won’t happen...
Article 1 deals with Congress. From Section 8:
“1. The Congress shall have Power To...pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States...
11. To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water...
14. To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
15. To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
16. To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as my be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”
Article 2 deals with the executive, and this is the sum total of what it says about his role with the military:
Sec 2 (1): “The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States.”
Congress has the major involvement in setting up how the military works, and the POTUS is simply to execute that. Congress provides for the common defense, and the way they have done that is through the NDAA, which gives authority for the military to determine if someone is an enemy combatant and to detain them BEFORE they can attack the country. If POTUS is the person who intends to attack the country - either directly or by aiding others to successfully attack the country - then the NDAA authorizes the military to detain him. Unless you can show me where in the NDAA Congress makes the POTUS a king with an absolute right to destroy the country unhindered.
Show me where that is, or else the NDAA authorizes ANY enemy combatant - including anybody within government - to be detained for the national defense of the country, which the Constitution places in the hands of Congress.
I am not talking about removing a POTUS, so the Constitution’s provisions for removing a POTUS is irrelevant. I am talking about national defense - protecting the country from its enemies wherever they may be found. And I just cited the Constitutional authorization for CONGRESS to do that, which they did in the NDAA.
Then it’s hopeless. We’re all wasting our time. This is the only avenue that could possibly stop Obama from destroying (fundamentally transforming) the country as he and his fellow members of The New Party swore to do.
Give up and die, is what I hear people saying. Or maybe just watch the reality shows to stay entertained and as good patriots get really worked up every couple years about who to vote for so they can go to DC and be too cool to do anything but play the scripted games... Anything that really matters is just “something that won’t happen”. Anybody who thinks or even bothers to hope otherwise is either off their meds or a troll, right?
Wow.
Wouldn't the Federal Marshals remove him? Who would give them the orders, though? How does the AG fit in here? Holder wouldn't give any such order.
If it involves charging the President with crimes, and convicting him, the only process is outlined like I said (per the US Constitution, the US House of Representatives and the US Senate). There is no process for arresting him.
And then, of the three branches of government - Legislative, Judicial and Executive - the Military is directly under the control of the Executive Branch, the President being the Commander in Chief. It’s the President that orders the military, not the military that orders the President ... :-) ...
That’s pretty much all you need to know in a nutshell.
Whatever. I’ve been hearing this ‘cut off the head of the snake’ garbage for too long.
You’re metaphorically ‘putting words in my mouth’ and insinuating really rotten things. That pisses me off. Don’t do that. It’s almost worse than being manipulated. I am not the ‘people’ you refer to.
Have your fantasy, focus on the head and let your neighbors, your family, friends, acquaintances, co-workers etc. go about their business unmolested/unchallenged and we’ll get another round of this BS in a few years.
Or focus on mid-terms...focus on the enemy next door...something you ‘can’ change. Or don’t.
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