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“CWII Spark” Ping List
Freerepublic ^ | 30 Jun 14 | OneWingedShark

Posted on 06/30/2014 9:45:10 PM PDT by OneWingedShark

After recieving a bit of encouragement, I'm starting up a CWII ping-list.

Pings will be toward stories that might be the spark, probably with an emphasis on big-government overreach.


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To: OneWingedShark

“Perhaps so; but nobody would get the far more descriptive WFSII.”

The War for Southern Independence (WFSI) has nothing to do with current events, which involve all of the United States and not just the Southern rebel states. So, a Second War for Southern Independence (WFSII or more properly WFSI-II does not describe anything currently happening. Not to mention, War of the Rebellion (WOTR) is the official term and acronym accurately describing the original nature and outcome of the events.

Furthermore, talk of insurrection and rebellion is inappropriate no matter how criminal the Obama regime is in fact, because there are a multitude of lawful and Constitutional means for holding the criminals accountable for their subversion of the Constitution and the U.S. Government. The American Revolutionary War was conducted by lawful colonial governments as a necessary last recourse to the unlawful acts of the British monarchy and Parliament. The War of the Rebellion, also known as the American Civil War, was an unlawful and unjustified insurrection and rebellion.


61 posted on 07/01/2014 9:29:54 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

“CWII” is widely understood to mean “Civil War Two”.


62 posted on 07/01/2014 9:41:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: OneWingedShark

Add me. Not interested in starting anything, but if some idiot is going to start it I want early warning. (And I do mean idiot: my “the nuts move first” theory observes that while the rational and wise are debating the proper & perfect conditions for conflict, some bozo is going to just haul off and start it ill-advised and irreversible.)


63 posted on 07/01/2014 9:45:51 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: WhiskeyX
>> “Perhaps so; but nobody would get the far more descriptive WFSII.”
>
> The War for Southern Independence (WFSI) has nothing to do with current events, which involve all of the United States and not just the Southern rebel states.

You didn't read the description, did you?
WFS II is War for Federal Supremacy two.

Furthermore, talk of insurrection and rebellion is inappropriate no matter how criminal the Obama regime is in fact, because there are a multitude of lawful and Constitutional means for holding the criminals accountable for their subversion of the Constitution and the U.S. Government.

I disagree — to make the Constitution only applicable to the people, and not restrictive to the government, is to make it at best a suicide pact and at worst a tool for tyranny. (Of course it is tyranny when a law applies only to the little people, or selectively based on political connections.) To assert that such government must be always considered legitimate is to repudiate the Declaration:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

The American Revolutionary War was conducted by lawful colonial governments as a necessary last recourse to the unlawful acts of the British monarchy and Parliament. The War of the Rebellion, also known as the American Civil War, was an unlawful and unjustified insurrection and rebellion.

I very much disagree here — the American Civil War was, at its core, about the subjugation of States to the will of the Federal government. That the States were denied the ability to leave the union, which by strict reading of the 10th amendment must have been among the powers not delegated. (There is some argument, however, that the Articles of Confederation could still be cited.)

Or, to put it in more modern terms — Nevada is more than 75% federal land, if the State said f-ck this, you own nothing to the federal government, would that be legitimate? Or is the state on equal footing with those states which are not majorily federal land? Moreover, what is to stop the Federal gov from commandeering the rest of the land? If that were to happen, of what use would the State government be? (And what jurisdiction would it have?)

64 posted on 07/01/2014 9:58:55 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ctdonath2

Added.


65 posted on 07/01/2014 9:59:42 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Me! Me too! I wanna be on that thar list too.


66 posted on 07/01/2014 10:13:12 AM PDT by rw4site (Little men want Big Government!)
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To: rw4site

Done.


67 posted on 07/01/2014 10:15:01 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Sign me up, please.


68 posted on 07/01/2014 10:17:30 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: Hoffer Rand

Done.


69 posted on 07/01/2014 10:28:58 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks...


70 posted on 07/01/2014 12:06:27 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: OneWingedShark
Add me to the list.

I'm still AD...and a lot of us are starting to question "At what point do we defend the constitution like we said we would in our oath?"

Never had this question when Reagan was my CIC.

71 posted on 07/01/2014 12:20:30 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: WhiskeyX
>>>Furthermore, talk of insurrection and rebellion is inappropriate no matter how criminal the Obama regime is in

The framers would disagree with you. That's the VERY reason they gave us the 2nd.

They understood that there may be a time when no other way will be possible.

72 posted on 07/01/2014 12:29:08 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: NELSON111
I'm still AD...and a lot of us are starting to question "At what point do we defend the constitution like we said we would in our oath?"

Hm, I questioned that back in `08 -- the replies I got when I brought up my concerns of the NBC-requirements and Obama's questionable origins to my superiors were not good; it became apparent that the Army-as-an-institution (same with the other services, but I'm Army because it's better ;)) had no intention of holding to its oath to the Constitution.

The treatment of that Lt Col, Rakin [IIRC], only proved this to be true.
So, when people claim it can't happen here or that [active duty] military men won't turn on the civilian population I take it with a grain of salt.

Yes, I believe there would be a good chunk that would reject flat-out illegal orders — but, on the other hand, such orders may be terminal of a sequence of reasonable and otherwise lawful orders. (Also, a large military unit would be helpful in the response to a false-flag operation providing security and relief [and it would work best if they were oblivious to the false-flag nature].)

73 posted on 07/01/2014 1:34:32 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Please add me to your ping list. Thanks.


74 posted on 07/01/2014 1:35:17 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Please add me to the list. Thanks!


75 posted on 07/01/2014 1:38:45 PM PDT by Stormy_MS1
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To: PA Engineer; Stormy_MS1

Done.


76 posted on 07/01/2014 1:43:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

It’s your pinglist,

but I still say it’s RevWIII, not CWII... :)


77 posted on 07/01/2014 1:44:32 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Want on?


78 posted on 07/01/2014 1:55:39 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks, but no thanks - I’ll just look for the threads.
(I find pinglists annoying)


79 posted on 07/01/2014 2:03:30 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: OneWingedShark
I agree whole-heartily. I think the notion that a lot will turn and fight tyranny is fiction. Most of us have too much wrapped up in this career of ours to throw it all away...whether we win or lose...and few of us are actually willing to do that.

I believe this will only happen when the economy crashes and it becomes clear that there is no retirement waiting for me at the end of my 30 years (which is only 2.5 years away)...and once that happens, then maybe.

But just to defend the constitution? Nope. Most people who took the oath did so because it was a means to that payday...and not because of something they really believe in and can articulate. I would be pleased if it was 50/50...but I think that's stretching it a bit.

80 posted on 07/01/2014 2:10:15 PM PDT by NELSON111
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