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To: Kartographer
"Sorry I look about me and don’t see it especially on the scale you are talking if it was it would be plain for anyone to see. Yes there are small enclaves of hard work like minded people, but not the massive underground power you speak of."

"Plain to see" not for everyone but only those who are in touch with them. Yep, most technically inclined people are somewhat scary in appearances to more sensitive folks. And given the trend toward slavery for about 40 years now, if ugly times come, labor for the incapable will be priceless indeed.

I'm not originally from the West here, you see, or from its people's Pappy, New York. I'm originally from the Midwest and a not so populated area of the South. Rednecks, lowriders, hillbilly motorheads, electricians, ranch hands (real ranches--not big corporate dude movie star ranches), and the like don't scare me. Matter of fact, they're quite sociable.

Invisible House - an Oehler structure
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3TZijmwZsQ

10 HP Chevy Diesel Car
http://www.utterpower.com/10hp_chevy.htm
(gobs of journals around the Net from motorcycle projects with those engines)

Permaculture articles by Paul Wheaton
http://www.richsoil.com/
(various projects done by other people, too)


28 posted on 07/24/2014 7:45:25 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

Glad to hear it, but I doubt that your ‘group’ grew in the past year more than the number of takers that slipped across the border just last month alone. But to each man his right to pursue his dream even if the ‘Giants’ are not but windmills.


30 posted on 07/24/2014 7:53:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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