Posted on 08/10/2014 12:46:23 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe
I have spent a little time compiling links to threads about the Ebola outbreak in the interest of having all the links in one thread for future reference.
Please add links to new threads and articles of interest as the situation develops.
Thank You all for you participation.
That is an apt description of that first panel. The most "real" panel was the second panel, where there were no agendas. I was, frankly, disgusted with the poo-poohing going on in the first panel. The way Fauci turned Senator Burr's question about transmission via fomites, to one about touching dead bodies was quite obvious to me that he was avoiding that answer. He also dismissed the idea of somebody sneezing on someone as a way to get infected, turning that answer into being about "airborne" transmission. I was thinking that these scientist types aren't acting as if this is as serious as $1 Billion and 3,000 troops "right NOW!" would indicate it is.
I second that motion!
In 1948 the USMC swept many of these islands for usable salvage equipment.
Under MacArthur's orders in 1949, 8th Army in Korea did the same.
Most of the vehicles used to fight the first year in Korea were those vehicles rebuilt by Japanese workers under contract to the US Army because anything new built in the USA after Inchon was being sent to Germany to rebuild the US Army there.
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I would think that is probably right, because this information came out during the panel with Dr. Brantly and Mr. Charles (Of Sierra Leone). Senator Burr didn’t specify, but he then recited the most current numbers reported from both Sierra Leone and Liberia.
And there is no doubt you are right that they have no clue about the numbers.
If you watch the C-span link, forward to 03:18:30, you will pick up at the point of the hearing where they begin to discuss the current rate of infection.
I know a very liberal med technician. Mentioned to her that sending troops to Ebola countries was an insane idea…she replied that her fellow clinic employees thought so too….”What are they thinking?”
That clinic takes Obamacare patients, private and public health patients, everyone. They will be on the front lines if Ebola is brought to the States.
Obama’s insane directive is waking up the most liberal of libs. I see this as a promising new narrative for the next election.
That was very deliberate.
>>He also dismissed the idea of somebody sneezing on
>>someone as a way to get infected, turning that answer
>>into being about “airborne” transmission.
As was that.
>>I was thinking that these scientist types aren't acting
>>as if this is as serious as $1 Billion and 3,000
>>troops “right NOW!” would indicate it is.
The CDC like a lot of Federal government agencies has factions based on who you are and what you do.
There are at least three that stand out.
1. Researchers
2. CDC public relations folks who do “Public Health Messaging”
3. Hot zone operators.
The first two tend to dominate the CDC bureacracy as the Hot Zone folks rotate in and out of NGO’s like MSF/Doctors Without Borders.
The researchers tend to be time servers who don't deal well with real people and have been responsible to the horrid storage of dangerous diseases like the recent “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” forgotten warehousing of Small Pox.
The worse of the crew are the PR “messaging” flacks, whom Fauci seems to be chief of as head of CDC and lead faction leader.
When the CDC talks “messaging,” they are trying to reduce lots of public health information down to the simplest form to maintain control of the populations while they do their thing.
Its relation to the truth is strongest when it helps with control.
Ebola Fomite and droplet spread are nightmares from the disease message control point of view in that they are complicated and subject to lots of panic.
The CDC (and WHO come to that) 1st instinct when dealing with either Ebola Fomite and droplet spread is to “revert to message” which will limit any public response — even if it can be useful for preventing future disease spread — so they can maintain the illusion of control right now. Even if they have none.
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NEW ORLEANS - A ship with three sick crewmen is scheduled to dock in New Orleans, the Center for Disease Control confirms.
CDC officials said they received word earlier today that a ship which had traveled near where the Ebola outbreak is will dock at the New Orleans port. A CDC staff member, emergency workers and members of the U.S. Coast Guard will board the boat and transport one ill crewman to a local hospital for evaluation. No word on which hospital the crewman will be transported to.
The CDC said they are taking extra precaution because of the Ebola risk, but that is thought to be “exceedingly low.” “The vessel’s itinerary did include Matadi, DRC, in addition to other ports, but there is no evidence to suggest that the crew members traveled to, or had any contact with anyone from the remote inland region of DRC where Ebola cases are occurring.
Given this, the chance that the crew member could have Ebola is thought to be exceedingly low,” the CDC said. We’re told two other crew members who reported mild illnesses will also be evaluated.
The CDC staff member assisting local health officials was already in New Orleans for training.
http://wgno.com/2014/09/17/ship-with-sick-crewmen-to-dock-in-new-orleans-tonight/
And what about the ~ 20 other crew that are not showing symptoms (yet)? “New Orleans - party time!!!!”
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And the US is on the slippery slope to hell as an entire country.
"At one point during the first panel, Senator Burr was asking Dr. Anthony Fauci about taxis being the latest transmission tool, and he wanted to know how long the virus remained infectious on the seat of a taxi. Dr. Fauci said they don’t know and turned it into an answer about dead bodies, which wasn’t what Senator Burr asked."
It is very hard for Dr. Fauci to answer a question for which there is no answer. The studies on virus durability outside of the body simply have not been done. He is correct about the pandemic part. I don't know where or how Senator Burr got his information, but the R0 is close to 1.
I already addressed Dr. Fauci's inability to answer a question that no one has actually studied. Dr. Fauci is correct on this one, too. In order for Ebola to become airborne, it would have to 1) infect cells in the upper respiratory system, in the bronchia and possibly alveoli, and 2) be resistant to destruction by drying. Without those two conditions, neither of which exist now, Ebola cannot become airborne. Since Ebola does not infect respiratory system cells, if someone with Ebola sneezed, blood would have to mix with the respiratory secretions for the sneeze to be infectious. If the person's disease has progressed to the point where they are bleeding, you probably wouldn't get close enough to them to be sneezed on in the first place, because the diarrhea, vomiting, etc. would be a clear clue that something isn't right.
Is snot not a secretion?
What about saliva?
I don’t know many people who sneeze without spraying out of their mouths. It’s where the ‘achoo’ sound comes from.
I can sneeze w/o opening my mouth but it hurts like hell.
The US government is limited by the fact that no one in or out of government is omniscient. Anyone speaking on Ebola must limit their message to what is currently known about Ebola--and that actually is very little. Given the lethality of Ebola and lack of medicines to treat it with, it must be handled under the most stringent conditions, in BSL4 labs that have been engineered in such a way that nothing can escape. It takes a lot of training to work in those labs, and few of those labs exist. Efforts to build more labs are met with resistance from the community at the proposed lab site, because people are absolutely sure that the mere presence of a BSL4 lab in their town or city will unleash a horrible disease. As a result, the amount of research that can be done on viruses like Ebola is limited. And now that people are intensely interested in the answers to these questions, those answers simply do not exist.
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