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15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Scientific American ^ | June, 2002 | John Rennie

Posted on 08/12/2014 8:09:40 PM PDT by JimSEA

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To: BroJoeK

Arguments against the theory of evolution are not “anti-science” since the theory of evolution is not science, pretty much by definition.


241 posted on 08/14/2014 6:45:54 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: JimSEA

The title is provocative—and unnecessarily so.

The article is actually not bad.

I do not understand why the “intelligent design” arguments cannot be accepted as the “spark” while allowing evolution to take over from there.

But, it’s all about screaming at each other and not working to understand how stuff works. That’s too bad.


242 posted on 08/14/2014 6:54:38 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: tumblindice

Debbie Boone? Really? I thought she lit up my life. Did she write that? She sure as hell did not sing it.


243 posted on 08/14/2014 6:57:47 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

It means survival of the most adaptable rules. And you live that every day.


244 posted on 08/14/2014 7:00:05 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: bondserv
bondserv: "Irreducible complexity from an engineering and informational science perspective closes the door to anything but intelligent design."

Einstein (1916): "God does not play dice with the universe."

But of course, Einstein was wrong about that, because the evidence shows the Universe to be God's giant gambling casino, in which He has rigged every machine to return odds favorable to the House -- Him.
So we can say that evolution was designed by God to produce results he wants -- us.

At that point the conflict between science and religion, for the most part, disappears.
Of course some will always insist that their "strict interpretations" are the only ones possible, and you are free to chose which interpretations you prefer...

245 posted on 08/14/2014 7:00:06 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: freedumb2003

No. Therefore, we must whip it.

And whip it good.


246 posted on 08/14/2014 7:01:57 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: ShadowAce
ShadowAce: "Arguments against the theory of evolution are not “anti-science” since the theory of evolution is not science, pretty much by definition."

Wrong, big time, because by US law, you anti-scientists are not permitted to redefine. what is, or is not, "science".
Only genuine scientists can do that, and they tell us that evolution theory is genuine science, and you are not.

So, say what you wish about that -- it's rubbish.

247 posted on 08/14/2014 7:03:17 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: ifinnegan

Wow a bachelors? That’s what, 24 credit hours across a spectrum. That’s about 3,000 hours of study.

Wow. Have a BS certainly would put you ahead of someone that reads a lot over a lifetime.

Not.


248 posted on 08/14/2014 7:06:58 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: BroJoeK
Definition of science. See entry #2.

I am not redefining anything--I am merely applying definitions to words, since words do mean things.

...and you are not.

And you know this--how?

249 posted on 08/14/2014 7:18:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Varmint Al

then almost all of the great scientific minds that we stand upon today, that have gotten us to this point, were creationists.

because science confirmed to them that there is a creator.

everything in our world requires a creator. nothing forms randomly by itself. everything that exists is a result of a cause. to somehow think everything that exists formed without a cause - denies observed experience.


250 posted on 08/14/2014 9:08:06 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: ShadowAce

Since your reasons are nonsence, and your authority is nill, your declaration that evolution is “not science” is itself bogus to the max.

“And you know this how?”

I’ve seen it all before.


251 posted on 08/14/2014 11:00:25 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
LOL!! That's quite a few logical fallacies in one post.

I'm sure you can increase the number if you try a little harder.

252 posted on 08/14/2014 11:06:34 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

All the “logical fallacies” are coming from you, FRiend.


253 posted on 08/14/2014 11:41:47 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Vermont Lt

Your post is unclear as to what point you are trying to make, if any n

My observation on the blowhard was that he is all hat, no cattle.

Strikes me as someone who knows things on this topic as words, but does not understand the realities of science.


254 posted on 08/14/2014 11:56:07 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: freedumb2003
How dare they teach science in science classes!

Yep, that “science” crap must be suppressed at every turn!

I love Science, as executed by an unbiased seeker of truth being restrained by the scientific method.

My point is that most Universities and peer reviewers are now exhibiting agendas, think Global Warming, diet, purposefully calling something that can only be human something other than human (unborn), heterosexually transmitted HIV, failing to produce scientific health articles detailing the dangers of homosexuality...

A University study says....

255 posted on 08/14/2014 2:17:37 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our reality and has seen fit to offer us a pardon.)
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To: ShadowAce

>>Actually, it would not. They’ve already found multiple sites where older layers are above new layers. This is due to earthquakes, volcanoes, erosion, and other natural events that move the earth around.<<

I was using a broad example of how TToE is falsifiable. If you were have a validated and verified modern horse skeleton where it does not below based on the period of its burial, you would have falsified TToE.

That is the point, not the technical details.


256 posted on 08/14/2014 2:30:16 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (AGW "Scientific method:" Draw your lines first, then plot your points)
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To: BroJoeK

One of my pet theories that Einstein missed is that when the electron takes it’s quantum leap, it enters eternity where the immense power of the Creator energizes every atom and keeps everything from dissipating into non-existence.

Call it a Unified Theory of God!

2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.

2Pe 3:11
Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives


257 posted on 08/14/2014 2:54:37 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our reality and has seen fit to offer us a pardon.)
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To: freedumb2003
And I was saying that what you put forward is not enough to falsify the theory. There must be something that is absolutely irrefutable, and with zero other explanations.

Since I cam up with several right off the top of my head, I say that your example would not work.

258 posted on 08/14/2014 3:35:36 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ifinnegan

I think some people think what they learned in a bio 101 class 40 years ago makes them know more than the rest of the world.


259 posted on 08/14/2014 7:42:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: freedumb2003
Thank you for your great insight and condescension....which only turns off the person you are trying to convince you are superior.

I spent years reading both sides of the argument. Sorry, a theory is still an unproven idea...a freaking guess and without proof when you come to the end of it all, even if you think you are making a "grown up guess". It takes faith to put it over God, a greater faith in fallible man than God.

When you look at it honestly it all depends on where your will put your faith and for me I chose God in the end of it all, and gee, I did not even call you ignorant because you do not believe the way I do.

What a novel concept.

There is too much of a political agenda when dealing with evolution theory that has crept into the Science. There would not need to be so much fraud that is found in evolution Science if it was really about Science instead of creating an atheist society which the left needs for control(another discussion). The Science in evolution is just about as corrupt as is found in the global warming Science crowd, political agendas have destroyed real Science. Time and again hoaxes have been uncovered in this "Science" and naysayers are treated as "ignorant" and run out of schools of higher learning because they had the gall to point out the holes in this idea that lacks proof.

While you find my "ignorance vexing" I find the lack of real and honest Science vexing in agenda driven "Science". The difference between us is I could care less what you think or believe in the end and do not need to imply you are ignorant because you have a different view than I and yes, it is belief not fact your are choosing....no different from me...I just chose God not man but for some reason that gets your goat. Maybe instead of being down on me you should ask why what I believe upsets you or even matters.

260 posted on 08/14/2014 9:55:57 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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