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I don't get it. Obama 'pardoning illegals' does nothing.
8/26/2014 | By Laz A. Mataz

Posted on 08/26/2014 8:12:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz

Everyone is predicting that Obama will 'grant Executive Amnesty' to illegal aliens before Labor Day.

Can anyone explain to me what law, clause or Constitutional article Obama can cite that permits him the power to do such a thing?

Anything. I'll settle for anything.

Pardons wouldn't work. All that would do is forgive the past crimes of being in the country illegally. One microsecond after the Pardon was issued, all the illegal immigrants would be committing a new crime, the ongoing crime of being here illegally.

Pardons cannot be granted for future crimes, so that won't work either.

Just what is this lawless creep going to cite that permits him the power to do this?

If he has no power to do it, the States and the Republican conservatives in congress can simply refuse to cooperate.


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To: IMR 4350

amazing how people forget how brazen and in your face these dreamers and their enablers were 2006. That year was a game changer for me and was a great education on understanding New America.


41 posted on 08/26/2014 8:53:00 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: MrB

Two Sledge Hammers used today that nobody can stand up to.

Civil Rights.

Commerce Clause.

Each means anything the Boss says it means.


42 posted on 08/26/2014 8:54:55 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: Lazamataz

There is no effective GOP opposition to Amnesty because the GOP is in favor of Amnesty. In the GOP’s shortsighted, suicidal view, we must replace millions of aborted 1990s babies who are not alive to work, pay taxes and vote for ever-expanding government. There is no longer a two party system — just two big government parties who make it look like we have a choice. This is why Conservatives are marginalized within the GOP, and actively scuttled when they become too successful.


43 posted on 08/26/2014 8:55:32 AM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: Lazamataz
He won't be granting "amnesty" as the dictionary defines it but he will declare them all to be Legal immigrants or perhaps even citizens. Granting citizenship by EO is the most dangerous for the Republic immediately because it will be railed against and complained about by the Republicans who will then DO NOTHING except accept the "fait accompli." If the Court in a couple of years rules against it there will be no difference because the Court and the courts will have been rendered irrelevant by the act of EO citizenship and the non reactionby the political "opposition." Such an act, or rather the acceptance of the act wipes out the Constitution and the independence of the courts and the Congress at the same time that it overloads the system with new Socialist voters that will make permanent- at least permanent until foreign invasion and/or internal collapse- the One Party Democrat Socialist State. Once that happens we cannot return to, or by means of, the Constitution.
44 posted on 08/26/2014 8:57:55 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: IMR 4350
Obama threatens violence all the time. In fact, rumors abounded that Obama got ahold of some rogue nukes and made threats with those during the October budget shutdown last year. Even Lindsey Graham got all girly-shrieky about it, warning of a nuke in Charleston harbor.

But Obama won't have the power to motivate black people to violence on this particular issue. Black folk know that illegal immigrants cost them jobs. DEY TOOK URR JOBS.

45 posted on 08/26/2014 8:59:43 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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To: Lazamataz
He won't be granting "amnesty" as the dictionary defines it but he will declare them all to be Legal immigrants or perhaps even citizens. Granting citizenship by EO is the most dangerous for the Republic immediately because it will be railed against and complained about by the Republicans who will then DO NOTHING and accept the "fait accompli." If the Court in a couple of years rules against it there will be no difference because the Court and the courts will have been rendered irrelevant by the act of EO citizenship and the non reaction by the political "opposition." Such an act, or rather the acceptance of the act wipes out the Constitution and the independence of the courts and the Congress at the same time that it overloads the system with new Socialist voters that will make permanent- at least permanent until foreign invasion and/or internal collapse- the One Party Democrat Socialist State. Once that happens we cannot return to, or by means of, the Constitution.
46 posted on 08/26/2014 9:00:11 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: eyeamok

How true.


47 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:07 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Lazamataz
How about a State-level refusal to cooperate?

Would you have the Texas Rangers fighting the Tri Letter armies of Washington in open combat? It could come to that if the State politicians prove to have a tad more courage than the Washington Government Party pols.

48 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:35 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE http://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: Lazamataz
Black folk know that illegal immigrants cost them jobs. DEY TOOK URR JOBS

Jobs don't pay. Fedzilla EBT cards pay. Welfare pays. Social Security pays. It's institutionalized looting. Looting pays. Jobs are for suckahs.

49 posted on 08/26/2014 9:02:52 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: roofgoat

What amazes me is how people will talk every day about Zippo being a Marxist out to change the country but simply choose to ignore the fact Marxist use violence or threat of violence to change countries.

For some strange reason in their mind Zippo is a different type of Marxist that wouldn’t use violence to get what he wants.

Is it normalcy bias or clinical denial because they simply can’t accept what they are seeing, I don’t know.


50 posted on 08/26/2014 9:05:49 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: TADSLOS

there’ll be a lot less welfare to go around as well.


51 posted on 08/26/2014 9:15:41 AM PDT by MNDude
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To: Lazamataz

Blacks?

Why would he need violence from blacks when he’s got millions of illegals?

Orchestrate protest of illegals in every city at the same time like in 2006, and the protest turn violent.

Get a few terrorist attacks from ISIS and tie the 2 together.

You have a foreign army waging war against the US on American soil.

Zippo sends in federal troops to put down the “insurrection”.

He’s got absolute power and whites and blacks will cheer him on to restore order.

You might want to brush up on how Marxist revolutionaries operate.


52 posted on 08/26/2014 9:16:47 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: IMR 4350

“For some strange reason in their mind Zippo is a different type of Marxist that wouldn’t use violence to get what he wants.”

Well, they are kind of right. HE won’t use violence, but his GOV LE agencies will, along with the DOJ, and “his people” in the community along with his DREAMERS (or Gutierrez’s DREAMERS).

I know what you mean though IMR. Most are too afraid to see what’s right before their eyes. Somehow most Americans think they are inoculated from war and strife right here on our soils. Not everything has to be ISIS or Al Qaeda terror in our cities.

Look at the hell going on in Ukraine. Whichever side you are on, take a step back and look at what’s happening; the pictures and videos, and see what can happen here.

I don’t recall seeing anything in the Bible where God promised no hell on earth on US Soils. We had the Civil War but have been spared since. How many other countries have dealt with war’s horrors in their own town. Some for a few years, others it’s an everyday part of life. US citizens should never think they are immune.


53 posted on 08/26/2014 9:19:52 AM PDT by roofgoat
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To: mountainbunny
But only past crimes can be pardoned, There is no blanket pardon for the future.

What about diplomatic immunity? Maybe he declares all illegals are now diplomats...

54 posted on 08/26/2014 9:20:34 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: MNDude
there’ll be a lot less welfare to go around as well.

Fed printing presses are magic makers that give the slaves cash...until the show's over and the offshore lenders line up for payment.

55 posted on 08/26/2014 9:20:54 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: IMR 4350

I fail to understand why African Americans would be in favor of this. If they don’t care about themselves, what about their families? If they’re well off enough not to have it matter financially, what about the other African Americans who will be hurt by it? I feel defensive of our black American citizens. Why don’t they? Or should I just shut up and go away?


56 posted on 08/26/2014 9:26:19 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Lazamataz

Law? He doesn’t need no stinkin’ law. We’re devolving to a third world country, where the “law” is just a fiction to hide behind when it’s convenient, but in reality, government is executed by fiat instead. Even Congress is only being nominally nodded to, but Obama simply ignores them when he doesn’t get his way.

We don’t have a president, we have a dictator. So no, it does’t matter that there’s no law or authority to do whatever it is he’s going to do, he’s just going to do it anyway, citing whatever bulls**t focus-groups the best. Who’s going to stop him? Harry Reid?


57 posted on 08/26/2014 9:28:24 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Lazamataz
Missed ya around here, pal ...

The answer would be dramatic ...

Someone needs to shoot an illegal crosser and be prosecuted ... the prosecutorial excuse would be what would stay any amnesty pardon.

You shot an innocent man

He was illegally in the US

Says who?

Says YOU


THAT sort of thing


I'm no legal expert, but we always do nothing and because of that ... nothing happens

Someone needs to take one for the team and the team should rally around that one and make more noise than the Revolution ...

or we can just storm the White House and take prisoners.

58 posted on 08/26/2014 9:30:14 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: pgyanke

True. Amnesty blather has convinced our city government to issue “ID” cards, based on whatever the illegal tells them. There are big signs in the public libraries promoting these cards, saying “You need an ID to rent an apartment,” for this, for that, for the other thing. It’s the public sentiment that is being manipulated.


59 posted on 08/26/2014 9:34:47 AM PDT by firebrand
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To: Blue Highway
"But only past crimes can be pardoned, There is no blanket pardon for the future."

What about diplomatic immunity? Maybe he declares all illegals are now diplomats...

Jesus H. Christ! SHUT UP already! If he hears this idea, we're screwed!

60 posted on 08/26/2014 9:36:05 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.)
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