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If the instructor was not white, we'd hear a different story.
1 posted on 08/30/2014 8:39:47 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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“The coroner said that an official cause of death was pending.”

Seriously?


2 posted on 08/30/2014 8:41:02 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED.)
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How in the world this instructor thought it was a good idea to let that little girl fire that weapon is way beyond me.


3 posted on 08/30/2014 8:42:26 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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A black firearms instructor's comments on the incident. (He nails it)

Rick Ector: Legally Armed in Detroit
6 posted on 08/30/2014 8:45:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek ("Moderates" are lying manipulative bottom feeding scum.)
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“it will take several weeks for blood-toxicology test results to be complete”

What, they can’t bump it up to the front of the line for something like this? Sounds like BS to me.


7 posted on 08/30/2014 8:46:34 AM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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I bet there was a line of lawyers out there waiting for the victims family to appear. Especially the anti gun advocates along with the usual ambulance chaser seeking to find a flaw in the range’s policy and rules.


8 posted on 08/30/2014 8:47:55 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary or Warren 2016! Why? Just to have a woman for Historical Purpose?? At least pick a looker!)
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The instructor (God rest his soul) used improper technique. I have no problem letting a 9 y/o shoot an FA weapon......... as long as there is adult control of the gun.


15 posted on 08/30/2014 8:57:30 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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Imagine the liberal version of family speak after this event.

Hate

Lawsuits

Gun control

Good thing this family is not liberal.


18 posted on 08/30/2014 9:00:57 AM PDT by Revel
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There is no such thing as an accident. It’s all premeditated carelessness. The idea of giving a nine year old a fully automatic weapon is bordering on lunacy. Okay, so I was nine when I got my first firearm but it was a .22 single shot.


21 posted on 08/30/2014 9:01:41 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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He wasn’t killed by a 9 year old child. He was killed by his own stupidity.


23 posted on 08/30/2014 9:06:39 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyranni)
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Probably the people most conserned with this accident ARE
those that could care less about the carnage in Chigago and Detroit..

AND the cartoon goings on in Furgeson, Mo..
and have strange ideas about the O.J. Simpson legalized murder..

And wouldn’t know an Uzi from a Guzi...


27 posted on 08/30/2014 9:12:06 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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It was a foolish thing to do, and it exacted a heavy punishment on him for it. Not all foolishness does, and sometimes even greater foolishness isn’t punished so severely.

I’d like to think I wouldn’t have done such a thing as this but I try to be careful not to be so arrogant to think that I’m incapable of foolishness myself. But I know better than that. I know I’ve done foolish things. I and those around me were fortunate to survive my foolishness. Sometimes the only difference between fun and foolishness is hindsight.

If the little girl had successfully squeezed off a burst and squealed with delight there would still be a thread here about it but most of the comments would be completely different.


28 posted on 08/30/2014 9:13:11 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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And in a related story:

http://nypost.com/2014/08/30/teen-killed-in-crash-while-driving-friends-lamborghini/


31 posted on 08/30/2014 9:16:38 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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From the article it says that

“...the shooting range says it’s already changed its regulations since the incident. Shooters will be required to be at least five feet tall or 12 years of age.”

I would have to agree with that. Anyone less than those requirements should be only shooting single shot and semi-auto firearms.

Here is a video of an approximately 12 year old girl firing full auto .223 at the beginning. Don’t know what rifle it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f8VmJRuBFY

Another quote:

“Cohen’s business, for example, is installing a tethering system that will prevent machine guns from riding upward after firing - the same motion that killed the gun instructor this week.”

This would be good for beginners to use.


33 posted on 08/30/2014 9:18:18 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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The kid needs to be taken away from the parents.

The parents need to be charged with something.

It seems like nobody knows how to raise children these days.

I don’t know what the solution is. Parents should be responsible for how they raise their children. They have screwed up the country and are continuing to do so.


37 posted on 08/30/2014 9:29:32 AM PDT by moviefan8
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You just keep telling the kid over and over...”you did nothing wrong,the guy instructing you did nothing wrong”.But when she gets older you tell her “perhaps it was unwise for your parents to allow you to handle the gun.Perhaps it was unwise for the guy to agree to instruct you.But nobody...not you,not your parents,not the instructor...had bad intent.It just happened”.
39 posted on 08/30/2014 9:32:58 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party policy;Lie,deny,refuse to comply)
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I’ve read multiple threads on FR about this tragedy. As a class III Uzi owner and father of two daughters that have fired full auto Uzi’s at this same age, I must break my silence. This was not an Uzi which weighs 8 pounds empty, fires from the open bolt and has a rate of fire of approx 600 rounds per minute, but from the wire stock visible in the video it appears to be a Mini-Uzi weighing just under 6 pounds with a 950 rds per min rate of fire. I would never allow my daughters to fire such a weapon full auto with more than 3 rounds in the mag. But a full size, slower rate of fire UZI is perfectly controllable by anyone able to shoulder the firearm. Freepers are correct that this tragedy could have been averted with common sense that this was too much gun for this child and mistakes were made on the firing line, but get the facts right. This was not an UZI but a lighter, hotter MINI-UZI. BTW, the Micro-Uzi weighs 3.3 pounds with a 1250 rd per min rate of fire... I won’t even fire that full auto.


46 posted on 08/30/2014 9:50:19 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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I think it's a very healthy thing to teach our children the safe use of firearms but cannot imagine a scenario where it is appropriate for a 9-year-old girl to learn how to handle a machine gun.

When I was in Marine boot camp, extraordinary precautions were taken to train us on how to operate an M-16 and we were mostly 18-year-old men. We had a full week of "snapping in" where we spent hours with the unloaded M-16 in various firing positions before we were even allowed to fire a live round. We also had days of training sessions on range safety, ballistics, how to handle recoil and all of that.

So speaking as a highly trained Marine, it is insulting to see this "Bullets and Burgers" roadside joint treat the firing of machines guns so cavalierly and irresponsibly. I went through weeks of basic training to even get my hands on a loaded semi-automatic weapon and this reckless outfit puts the same type of weapon in the hands of a 9-year-old girl for the purchase of an "adventure" package that includes a burger and fries. It is so stupid when you consider the recoil from such a weapon can put a Marine on the ground when not handled properly.

I feel badly that the 9-year-old girl and the families (of both the girl and the victim) have to live with this the rest of their lives. As well, the gun grabbers now have plenty more ammo in which to attempt to deny the rest of our our Second Amendment rights. All because common sense is apparently in short supply in the sands of Nevada.

48 posted on 08/30/2014 10:02:34 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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Arizona shooting range instructor

Who claims he was a firearms instructor ?

What were his skill sets ?

What were his Certification in Firearms Safety ?

Was he a Certified Firearms Instructor ?

Was he just a person with male genes ?

Was he a drunk ?

Was he on psychotropic drugs ?


53 posted on 08/30/2014 10:35:33 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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accidentally killed

There is no such thing as an accidental discharge.

A negligent discharge is caused by either ignorance or carelessness.

The person can be considered ignorant, if they have not been trained.

They are considered careless, if they disregard their training.

Always keep the gun pointed in a safe direction

Always keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot

Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use

NRA T/C CRSO

56 posted on 08/30/2014 11:04:11 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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The instructor pressed Darwin for proof of his theory on two fronts:

Standing beside someone he was instructing.

Handing a full auto to a child, who hadn’t the experience to manage the firearm.


58 posted on 08/30/2014 11:14:48 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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