sieg f'n heil, baby !
Posted on 09/15/2014 8:48:59 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda
Parents' House Seized Over Son's $40 In Drugs
The rare moments Christos Sourovelis can take a break from running his own painting business, he can be found toiling away on his family's dream house in the suburbs of Philadelphia.
"I'm a working guy. I work every day, six days a week, even seven if I have to," Sourovelis says. One day this past March, without warning, the government took his house away, even though he and his wife, Markella, have never been charged with a crime or accused of any wrongdoing...
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We're waaaaaaay overdue to hit that reset button.
Uhmmmm what?
He is right.
Is this only PA? Seems it’s a case that’s appropriate to SCOTUS.
In *our* family, if YOU do the crime, YOU do the time.
Meaning: If a girl has sex and gets pregnant, that baby doesn’t pay the price.
If the son decides to screw around with drugs, HE pays the price, not the entire family.
We are all about *individual responsibility* but we are not about collective punishment.
Well said, and Amen!
/johnny
sieg f'n heil, baby !
So what if your next door neighbor’s kid was selling heroine out of their house...You’re okay with that I suppose. At some point the homeowner has to take responsibility for the actions of their inhabitants of their home.
Or...not I suppose and then kids can go on dealing out of mom and dad’s basements forever and because it isn’t the kids home no one has to be held accountable and there is no threat of the law so no one has to comply.
I guess that is cool now.
We choose not sell drugs out of our home...sorry, were just sort of old fashioned that way and if one of my kids was selling drugs, I would be the first to call the cops.
We don’t blame others for our failures or shortcomings — It’s a Christian thing.
No. We sit back, secure in our smug superiority knowing that our $h!t doesn't stink and our kids are perfect little angels.
It is perplexing to me that purportedly freedom loving people can look at a situation like this and blame anything but out of control government for it. The WOD has made many abhorrent and un-American practices like no knock warrants and asset seizure without due process entirely too commonplace. I fail to see a net positive to continuing it. I think the WOD needs to be ended ASAP. I would rather put up with legal drugs than the extraordinary erosion of our rights and freedoms that have come to pass in the name of “keeping drugs off the street” which the WOD, even with all the resources we have thrown into it, has failed miserably at accomplishing.
Plus as can be seen by the last election over half of the electorate doesn't want freedom. They want loot, and they're to lazy to steal it for themselves, so they vote for the government/candidate who promises them the most plunder from the remining hard working Americans.
Yeah. And I would also be the first to call the cops... IF I KNEW ABOUT IT.
Hubs and I were authoritarian parents. What did we get from that?
Great liars.
Yes. Eventually, they settled down and became great people, but we had three years of hell in the mean time.
Do *not* try to tell me that if you bring them up right, they will never stray from the path you laid out before them. Human beings have free will and they will exercise that will the first chance they get.
So you seriously think that the parents should pay the price? Fine. What about the landlord? What about the hotel owner? What abut the new boyfriend/girlfriend? What about the buddy that you let crash at your place for two nights?
The way that the law is written - the landlord is responsible for land that they own. Even if they’re renting. (There’s a couple who own a hotel that are fighting this now.)
When does individual responsibility come into the mix with this *at* *all*? The person who does the crime does the time.
Period.
I have always opposed asset forfeiture as IMO its unconstitutional. If you commit a crime there are statutory penalties such as fines, incarceration and public service. Every crime has a written statutory penalty. Drug crimes also have statutory penalties. They will read something like 5 years in jail and a $10,000 fine. They don’t add “and forfeiture of everything in the world you own” The asset forfeiture has gotten slipped in separately.
The revnue the US marshals get from asset forfeiture is big business.
Years ago my sister bought my nephew a used car when he was about 17. I think it cost her around $4,000. Shortly after that he got caught with some tiny amount of marijuana in his car. They immediately took the car and she never saw it again and there was no recourse. The kid paid a small fine and some community service,no jail time as it was just a misdemeanor but the cops got a $4,000 car to auction off. I consider that outright theft.
It certainly seems that way. I hope it does not end as badly as I think it may.
“I consider that outright theft.”
That is because it is nothing but outright theft.
The law can arrest and prosecute the dealer. Property seizure with no trial is communism - are you a communist?
I served my country a$$hole!
Are you a communist?!?
It happened a few years ago practically around the corner from me, unfortunately they also confiscated the business of the mother of the crack dealer, because she has cosigned on the house for the kid................
I served my country a$$hole!
Supporting communist policies is no service to your country.
Are you a communist?!?
No, I don't support communist policies.
They probably seized the crack house as a fig leaf for the real plum: seizing the business that had nothing to do with the crack.
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