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To: CitizenUSA

” I don’t believe anyone (on this thread) has said you “must” vote for liberal Republicans.”

Did idiots not state “not voting for Romney is voting for Obama”?
And did note those same idiots insist we must support RINOs and accept that some issues are lost causes?
Did not one of those idiots start this very thread?
Is not this very thread about that very subject?
You are very disingenuous.


728 posted on 09/19/2014 5:24:28 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee! First one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: Darksheare

Here’s the initial post in its entirety:

“A very disturbing number of Freepers are openly advocating, on Free Republic threads, for the defeat of Senator Pat Roberts and other good Conservative Republicans. Greg Orman, in Kansas, is a pro abortion, anti gun, tax and spend Liberal Democrat who has given tens of thousands of dollars to Obama and Pelosi and the Democrat Party and Harry Reid. I am called an “idiot” for supporting Roberts. However, I think that those on Free Republic who support Harry Reid and Greg Orman should be ZOTTED, kicked off the site. I have had enough of there hate filled, vindictive, misguided trash.”

I went through hundreds of posts on this thread and I agree some posters did claim not voting helped elect Obama. Are you claiming it doesn’t help the Democrats when conservatives take their votes out of elections?

In none of those posts could I find anything that said you must vote for the RINOs. I repeatedly made the point in my posts that I respected someone who withheld their votes, but I believe it was better to act positively (by voting) to defeat the greater evil. The other posters on my side of the debate generally said they felt it was better to try and defeat Romney. Again, none of them told you what you MUST do with your vote. If I missed someone who did say that, point it out.

I also did not find any posts where someone said we need to accept that some issues are lost causes. Again, I was very, very careful to point out that I was talking about general elections ONLY. Several others posted pretty much the same thing and said they would vote against the RINOs in the primaries.

The abortion issue in particular is what got Kansas58 in trouble, apparently because he said the blood of babies was on people who refused to vote for anything less than a total ban on abortion. He seemed to speak from personal experience where he saw pro-life forces aligned with the abortionists in Kansas against partial restrictions on abortion. I think his mistake was blaming the pro-lifers for the blood of aborted babies, but to be honest, that’s what other posters claimed about the who said they’d vote for a RINO (in the general election if necessary) to stop an abortion-loving president. So the pro-life posters basically accused Kansas58 of having blood on his/her hands, and then he was banned when he said purists in Kansas had blood on their hands. I think both sides went too far on that one, because Kansas58 is clearly anti-abortion and was apparently directly involved in saving babies in Kansas (by fighting for what was achievable at this time—restrictions on abortion that fall short of a complete ban).

So in answer to your post, I think I’m being as honest as I can be. I try very hard to be civil and never engage in personal attacks. If I’m wrongly characterizing this thread, please point to specific posts where someone said you “must” vote for the RINOs or that abortion is a lost cause.


751 posted on 09/19/2014 8:06:49 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Proverbs 14:34 Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people.)
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