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To: Norm Lenhart

I’ve always told you that I support the right kind of barrier. That hasn’t changed.

The details have already been negotiated, Norm. I jumped on the fence bandwagon up front. (See my posting history regarding Kay Bailey Hutchison’s betrayal of Texans with an amendment to fencing legislation.) Then Congress passed legislation mandating the designs and allocating the money. What we got from that deal is pathetic. It merely slows illegals down for a few minutes. It certainly isn’t manned well enough when the illegals have time to climb over, cut through, tunnel under, etc.

Again, I am not arguing against a barrier. I am pointing out the abysmal failure of the fence we have. Why you ask? I suppose because I am a DBA. Details and data are my business. The data tells me that this fence doesn’t work and isn’t sustainable. (We won’t agree on that.) Also because I know that if something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. As we say in IT, “There are never enough time and resources to do it right, but there are always enough to do it over ... and over ... and over ...” That’s what has happened with this border fence.

If you want to go with a modernized Roman wall, I’m in. If you want to separate the U.S. from Mexico with a Panama-style canal, I’m in. But how do you get there? You can’t if what you have works in any substantial way because our fellow limited-government conservatives will have no appetite for such grand visions. Likewise, if we finish this fence and it proves to be the failure that I believe it is, they will have no appetite for “another fence.”

We refuse to support RINOs (even 80/20 friends) because what we need are conservatives. To me, the same philosophy applies to this fence. BP says they apprehend 1 in ten. What good is a fence that helps stop only 10%? The 90% getting through are overwhelming us.


906 posted on 09/22/2014 8:25:29 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
How many Arab terrorists are getting through the Israeli fence?

The answer, of course, is almost none.

We don't lack the ability to completely secure our border. All we lack is the political will.

907 posted on 09/22/2014 8:31:16 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Socialism: Where your health care is free, but you are not.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
You can’t if what you have works in any substantial way because our fellow limited-government conservatives will have no appetite for such grand visions.

Almost all of the conservatives I know support putting up an effective fence.

After all, protecting the several states from invasion is one of the primary sworn constitutional duties of our government.

908 posted on 09/22/2014 8:34:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Socialism: Where your health care is free, but you are not.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

It’s a funny way to not argue against a fence by posting pictures used by LaRaza to show they don’t work and repeat the meme in the face of all contrary evidence that the SD fence is a failure.

Again, giant contradiction.

If you support a working fence then by definition, you have to support the SD fence since it has proven to work. It’s really that simple. Saying it does not when the facts show it does is not support. Repeating the lie that it failed is not support. Nor does it encourage anyone to get on board with an even stronger fence when ‘conservatives’ do this in public.

If your goal is to get a fence up to assist in getting the border protected, you have a peculiar way of going about it that fortunately is shared by practically no one on the pro fence side of the debate.


909 posted on 09/22/2014 10:52:23 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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