Posted on 10/26/2014 5:07:51 PM PDT by nomad
viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.
Call me slightly skeptical, but just because experts have said it won't doesn't mean that it hasn't or won't. I wouldn't consider it a fixation, it is rather a healthy skepticism. I would prefer to err on the side of caution.
All of the experts from the CDC who have given us information over the airways have all said that Ebola can't do this or that only to backtrack at some point, meanwhile two nurses get infected while taking care of a man who dies of it. None of them know how they got infected. If I were the nursing director, my nurses would act as if it could be airborne.
The only thing the experts have done is encourage Obama to trot out a worthless czar, because who really wants to be held responsible for it all?
Puhleeze!
Just go away! Your blatant indoctrination always shows up on theses threads.
We cannot stop Air Travel because it will “disinscentive” resume enhancers to go to Africa? Like we did not handle the tsunami in Thailand without “Commercial flights?’
Go Away you.
Those experts are the same ones who have been studying Ebola for decades, and have been educating Obama and the rest of the government about the disease. If the people who have spent their lives studying the disease and going to deal with outbreaks in Africa aren't experts, then who is?
I am sorry you do not appreciate the fact that I *do* happen to be an expert in this area, and I spend a considerable amount of time and effort to make sure that people have correct information. I will not go away because some people's entire "education" about infectious diseases consists of fiction or semi-fiction like "The Hot Zone", "Outbreak", or "Contagion" and they think that disease response in real life must happen the way it does in novels. It doesn't.
If people would stop posting threads containing misinformation, I would stop posting correct information.
And as for encountering an Ebola patient, with the PC garbage this regime is forcing down our throats? I say close ALL comercial flights and use military or charter flights. I`ll repeat, I LIVE NEAR AKRON, OHIO. Ever heard of Amber Vinson? BTW, her family works at Kent State University, my daughter is attending Kent State, well? Nice roll of the dice, eh Dem-mom? So this is personal.
If I might essay a suggestion, it's because you, and they, are speaking in medical terms and the media are speaking in the vernacular.
As I understand it, "airborne" refers to the virus being ejected in large doses in the mucosa of the lungs. If the virus is not present in the lung mucosa, the thing isn't airborne. That much is fairly straightforward.
Naturally, other body fluids such as saliva, vomit, and even, under some circumstances, blood, are also ejectable through sneezing, coughing, etc, but in considerably smaller amounts. If those amounts are infective then we have a virus that is not "airborne" but is potentially contagious through ejected body fluids anyway, but not terribly contagious and under fairly rare circumstances.
I could be entirely wrong about this but that's my understanding. Best to you.
No offense taken. Natural Selection favors the more effective virus. Frankly, the longer time frame offers some explanation for why Ebola is not burning itself out.
okay Alledged Mother… you want to put your alleged kids on a plane out of JFK that came in from Brussels Air or some other Connective airline?
Mother?… my ass.
I have a healthy skepticism of studies, particularly those that are not reproduced in controlled settings. I do not think we will know how Ebola behaves in the US until we have gained substantial experience with it through dozens of cases. I hope we do not gain this experience, but I am afraid we might. Until then we have to act with more caution that we think indicated, because we don’t know what we don’t know. Being cavalier about the disease and how its transmitted will come back to bite those who approach it in that fashion. As has already happened at least twice thanks to the CDC
The nurses were not using PPE correctly, a situation that was fixed only when the CDC showed up.
If you were nursing director, and instructing your nurses to use airborne, rather than droplet, precautions, your nurses would NOT be protected against Ebola. The precautions actually have to be tailored to the mode of transmission. The droplet/contact precautions for Ebola are far more stringent than airborne precautions.
okay Alledged Mother… you want to put your alleged kids on a plane out of JFK that came in from Brussels Air or some other Connective airline?
Mother?… my ass.
BTW never read any of those books, nor go to the movies but I do follow the corrupt CDC, headed by a dip$hit that banned smoking and Big Gulps in NY.
It is all blathering B/S Dem/rot.
They don’t know sh$t from Shinola.
I do not wish to have my family exposed to a disease that could be stopped .
Liberalism is a Mental disorder, and PC will kill us all.
If Zip$hit can send the Military then he can get the Meds back in a safe way.
Commercial Airlines… really?
You are a hopeless in doctrinaire.
All you say defies Common Sense… Ellis Island…Anyone?
I appreciate the fact that you are a self annointed expert on Ebola. It is just your approach that will kill people. A virus acts very differently on a wild population than in a lab. People can and will do unpredictable things.
Again, we will not know how Ebola acts in the current conditions in the US until we have gained experience with multiple cases. Until that time, I am for an excess of precautions rather than unsupported confidence in what “experts” say.
THey were following the CDC guidelines as they existed at the time. The CDC was woefully behind and WRONG regarding precautions to be taken. And they change their recommendations almost daily.
Thank you.
I try to simplify my language as much as possible. It’s a real challenge, since simplification can lead to inaccuracy unless one is extremely careful.
Your understanding is mostly accurate. Airborne particles are tiny enough to float in the air and be carried away from the patient. Otherwise, I think you got it.
Thanks for the common sense! Now if only it was contagious.
But the studies have shown it`s present in sputum, mucosa or not.
They weren't, that's the problem. Apparently, nurses were putting on as many as 4 pairs of gloves (we typically double-glove for that dangerous stuff), and using surgical tape to close up openings around their necks and so forth. The problem with that is that if any infectious material gets onto the tape, the act of removing the tape can fling that material onto any exposed skin. The hospital did not have the correct PPE available, and nurses complained that their necks were exposed. There have been several news reports about this. I have no doubt that the results of the investigation will be described in a future MMWR issue, so that we can all see what went wrong.
Yea, since the Assclown in chief won`t cut off the flights or people bringing it in!
The CDC has stated the nurses were following the guidelines. The CDC guidelines have been inadequate and changing almost daily. You can worship at their altar if you want, but I am disgusted. Not surprised, just disgusted.
But will decreasing the temperature increase viral survivability? Key question as we, unlike Africa, have winters and President Obola doesn`t seem to want to protect Americans thru established epidemiological procedures like isolation and quarantine.
On the other hand, if there are studies the PROVE that 0b0la can not take up residence in, say, the US feral deer population (et.al.) then maybe the risk of bring 0b0la organisms to the New World is not so high.
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