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To: C. Edmund Wright
I stand by my only criticism, which is that this comment, like the similar one from Rick Perry - is shamelessly self serving and comes from an agenda.

Agreed. But if Walker is thinking for going after the big prize, that is the EXACT kind of distinction that can honestly be made to carve out a voting bloc. It also happens to be mostly true, with Cruz being a likely exception, as he doesn't just live behind a bunch of 55-45 votes, but will stand as one of a handful (and taking the lead as needed) in a group of three or so.

Walker might be the best we could get that wouldn't lead to an outright split in the party. But we might well NEED a split in the party (with the crony capitalists who bolt replaced by non-voting populists or a certain flavor of Dem who cannot abide Richie Rich types like Romney and Kerry). Walker's and Cruz' positive traits are to some degree mutually exclusive.


110 posted on 11/10/2014 8:15:36 AM PST by Dr. Sivana ("If you're litigating against nuns, you've probably done something wrong."-Ted Cruz)
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To: Dr. Sivana
But if Walker is thinking for going after the big prize, that is the EXACT kind of distinction that can honestly be made to carve out a voting bloc

That's conventional wisdom, and as such, a ton of people will agree knee jerk. But the history of conventional wisdom is that it is almost always wrong "upon further review." The way to win a primary is to run against your general election opponent better than the other candidates can run against the general election opponent. Consultants don't understand this. Think 2011-12: when Newt was doing this, which was at two separate times in the campaign, he was routing the field and motivating high turn out. When no one was doing this, the turn outs tanked and the race was horrible. Think about it..."upon further review."

111 posted on 11/10/2014 8:19:01 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Dr. Sivana; C. Edmund Wright; BlackElk; Windflier
But we might well NEED a split in the party (with the crony capitalists who bolt replaced by non-voting populists or a certain flavor of Dem who cannot abide Richie Rich types like Romney and Kerry).

Crony capitalists aren't going to bolt the Republican party. They're going to stay right there insisting that they are the "grown ups" if only because they have the most money to finance and support what passes for them as "Republicans." Philosophically, that they are even in the party at all, let alone at the top of its 2012 presidential ticket, means I am apparently in the wrong party now.

UNLIKE ten or 15 years ago, now I am wiser and don't care what frikkin' party the candidate is in -- if he or she is a depraved amoral government pusher or worse, a morally bankrupt liar and overt cheater like Cochran, then I sure as hell will vote whatever way I can to weaken that candidate whether it's a Republican, a Democrat, OR BOTH. It's physics. Thinking you've just elected wankers like Cochran because it will help create a "good" Republican majority, is like thinking you can get away with making sweet orange juice from rotten lemons you've just purchased. It's material, it's physics. You get what you vote for, especially if what you vote for WINS.

From where I'm sitting, the scenario of "crony capitalists who bolt" the party looks like extreme wishful thinking. I think that unless a miracle happens in less than two years, the GOP will lumber forward nominating a leftist functional Democrat Republican for the 2016 presidential race. IF that happens, and your crony capitalists stay in the party, WE are the ones who will have to bolt to a third party.

The "holding their feet to the fire" thing can work in Congress with regard to Republicans, but it would always get a body blow the opposite direction under the administration of a functional Democrat Republican White House administration, especially if that president had a voter majority mandate.

It could even be that the best way to preserve the Republican party would be to vote "Independent" in 2016 so as to pull a Perot and make sure that whoever wins has a disgraceful plurality "mandate." It's the best we can do, and though I didn't vote for Perot, in retrospect I see that Clinton's plurality status both elections HELPED the Republican Revolution to succeed.

115 posted on 11/10/2014 3:49:34 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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