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Posted on 11/30/2014 7:00:18 AM PST by nomad
If you follow the thread, you`ll find a story about familial trash being ticked at their little Thuggie Brown being shot, but he survived five hits! What`s your best compromise between concealment versus stopping power. And how would climate effect your choice?
Ditto for Mrs. Child. She likes the feel, but it is very hard on her arm & wrist.
She really likes my Kahr CW9, but it is too large for her to comfortably CCW.
After trying *many* 380s, she fell in love with the Sig P238. Carries it regularly with Hornady Critical Defense.
I fully agree with those who say shot placement with good ammo is more effective than caliber alone. Especially for a small woman.
The Colt.25 1908 Pocket Pistol (with CWP) used as a Doctor’s gun, eye’s, ears, arm pit, throat.
Using Mag Safe Pre-Fragmented Bullets at 1750 fps & 150 ft lbs. in left hand and a Lightning OTF Automatic Knife in right hand.
Both are light, legal and used very effectively in S.C.
Sometime’s you just don’t have to kill, sometime’s the bad guy just needs a good excuse to stop and leave well enough alone to thank God later.
That sounds like a wicked loading, sounds like it spices up a 25. Now do they make that in .380 or 9mm?
A buddy of mine had a saying... Shot placement is King, adequate penetration is Queen, and everything else are angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Why nine mm?
1. IMHO, with modern expanding defensive ammo, a 9mm doesn’t give up much to a .40 or a .45.
2. A double-stack magazine in 9mm gives you 15+ rounds on hand. A double-stack mag in .45 makes for a very thick and bulky pistol. My Springfield Xd holds plenty of rounds, but is still small enough to conceal.
3. 9mm ammo is just about the most available of the common calibers. Especially when compared to .40 caliber.
4. Women and small adults with little training can handle a 9mm where a .45 would intimidate them with recoil, depending on some factors. (The worst for recoil will be compact .45s.) The entire family can use the same pistol, instead of the big scary one being “Dad’s gun” alone.
Yes, my better half uses these.
1650 FPS, 242 FT LBS OF ENERGY IN RUGER LCP
Over 40 years ago, when I was in the Air Force, at one of my TDY assignments in Texas some of us went javelin hunting through the R & G (the base Rod & Gun Club). We used 1903 Springfields (.30-06) that the R & G supplied. Lots of fun.
The 9 mm
2300 FPS, 528 FT LBS OF ENERGY
If I’m expecting trouble, then I carry and use a 1911 Army Colt 45 with 2000 Feet per second. 604 FT. LBS ammo.
I know the local armorer for the Vegas Swat. His opinion is that modern JHP defensive rounds in 9mm are as good as 45acp in putting down a perp.
I prefer 40s&w JHP defensive rounds, they have just as good penetration, FtLBS of force, and a ccw pistol can carry 12-14 rounds instead of 7-10 of 45acp.
Guns I like
H&K P30 lem
Walther PPQ
Sig P320
Beretta PX4 Carry
40s&w is insurance, but really if 9mm wasn’t sufficient then why NATO, most police and the US Army using it.
Modern Talon type bullets are fearsome.
I carry DRT, or Buffalo brand in hollow point or cast flat, in +P if at all possible but I read a add for a new type of round that used a machined solid brass or copper bullet that had a trocar point that is supposed to allow six fleshette type projectiles to break off and follow separate trajectories. But is that type of ammo effective? Would it work in smaller caliber rounds? Would it work on lass powerfull rounds like .25, .32, or .380?
My favorites are the unregistered ones that nobody publicly writes of. All part of a well thought out SS&S plan.
It depends on the weather, clothing, etc., but it’s usually my LCR (.38+P) with Kel Tec P3AT (.380 ACP) back up, or Glock 26 (9mm) with the P3AT back up.
that is less powerful rounds
The nine gets a lot of bad press, which has always made me wonder.
Appreciate your word on the matter.
Thanks again!
Cool
XDS in .45 in an IWB Alien Gear Holster.
Taurus 850 CIA in .357 .. in a pocket or leather OWB holster.
I carry everywhere legal ... always concealed unless on my property. Then I carry a SW 629 in .44 mag with a chest holster. Big critters here in Montana.
Yep, that would stop Brown dead in his tracks.
Model 500 can fire a bullet weighing 350 gr ( 22.7 g; 0.8 oz) at 1975 feet per second (602 m/s) generating a muzzle energy of over 3,030 foot-pounds force (4.1 kJ). -wiki
If you are in the military and your only choices were 9mm hardball or .45 hardball, .45 wins hands down. And who cares if a double-stack-mag .45 is bulky if you’re a soldier, and you don’t have to conceal it?
But for civilians who can access modern defensive ammo, 9mm is plenty of terminal effects in a small package.
Compare a 9mm cartridge to a .38/.357. Size for size, the 9mm packs a punch.
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