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Mentally Ill Man Refuses to Take Medication So SWAT Shows Up and Kills Him
FreeThought Project ^ | December 2, 2014 | Matt Agorist

Posted on 12/03/2014 8:55:50 PM PST by Altariel

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To: cva66snipe

Medical care for people with mental illness is terrible. My wife and I have been down this road again and again. Doctors act as if a person with a mental illness cannot have any PHYSICAL illness as well. They assume everything is connected to the mental illness.

We have really struggled to find doctors who understand my wife’s COMPLETE medical situation. Any time we have to go to a new doc or the ER it is the same thing all over again though.


81 posted on 12/06/2014 5:09:03 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: sagar
I will summarize this long and convoluted piece of “journalism”: a machete welding violent psycho (not pc but the truth) is no more.

Or man dies defending himself from home invaders.

82 posted on 12/06/2014 5:10:50 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: arthurus
I had wondered if police had stopped killing citizens and dogs, essentially on whim, when the Ferguson thing came up. No. They didn’t.

12 through the first 4 days of December. That puts them right on pace with the 90 people killed by police in November. If your country's cops are killing ~1000 people per year. Your country has a serious problem.

83 posted on 12/06/2014 5:17:20 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Jeff Head
When someone attacks armed officers with a machette, they are most likely going to be shot...and for good reason.

Except he was in his own home, cowering behind a locked door. Who was attacking whom?

84 posted on 12/06/2014 5:20:10 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Many but by no means all conditions labeled as mental illness are "Symptoms" stemming from a yet to be detected or misdiagnosed physical illness. That is especially true in anxiety disorders. There is Phobic Anxiety which can be brought on by traumatic experiences. It can also if a fear of heights be a symptom of Vestibular Dysfunction. The brain is constantly compensating, correcting, and detecting as well as self preservation looking for dangers and expecting appropriate responses. Meaning simply if it sees danger that you may not even understand or be aware of it can trigger anxiety because you did not give a proper response. Climbing a ladder would be a good example. Depression can be cause by infections in ones body such as a simple low grade UTI.

Medicine has become very specialized which has been both a blessing and a curse. The blessing is treatments are much better. The curse is doctors are now missing simple illnesses that end up being refered to mental health.

The older cradle to grave doctor was a General Practitioner. They did surgery, delivered babies, did geriatrics, knew a considerable bit about mental illness as well. Few things got by them. Our old family doctor that delivered me and my sister in the 1950's was our doctor into out late 20's until he retired. He told my parents when I was born I had feet issues. An older Optometrist when I was seven discovered I only had one eye functional vision. Not one eye doctor has picked up on it since not even in my two armed forces enlistment physicals. I have to tell them. Today the closest doctor to be a GP is an Internal Medicine doctor.

I remember the last day I was able to work. The events of it eventually helped me to put the pieces together. I had been having problems related to sounds, vision, and my concentration and had already seen several doctors.

I was a maintenance mechanic. I worked in a large nursing home/retirement home/ assisted living/ and retirement community that spanned fifty acres. I had evening shift and worked alone.

I got a trouble call to go to a retirement home apartment to see about a noise. I went up there and saw a resident I knew walking in the hallway and she was the one who had called. I asked her what was wrong and she was nearly in tears saying please come in here the noise in my room is horrible.

I walked in and it sounded normal o me. So I said Ok take me to the noise so I can see what it is. She took me to the through the wall heat/HVAC unit. I turned it off and she was crying saying of thank you. I went to find the nurse on duty there and told her. She said yeah it's odd she came back today from the hospital like that.

I walked back to the main building to my shop to eat supper. I was leaning back in a chair up against a double door and someone on the other side yelled at someone coming out of the kitchen. You know the old cartoon where the dog walks up behind a cat and barks and the cat goes to the ceiling? That was me. Almost immediately I was losing my ability to concentrate and even except in limited responses communicate.

I called in a relief so I could clock out {we had boilers I could not just leave}, called my dad for a ride home as I was not in any shape to drive myself, and never went back. They diagnosed me as having General Anxiety Disorder. MRI, CT, etc was clear. Neurologist was stumped that meant Shrink was next. They did Anxiety antidepressant protocol and it got much worse.

About two years later I found a book in a second hand store called Phobia Free. I looked at it as I'm skeptical of quack cures and feel good books etc. This guy was a Neurologist/psychiatrist and by happenstance had directly linked Vestibular Disorders to triggering Anxiety Disorders aka panic attacks as well as ADD ADHD type symptoms known today as C.A.P.D.. I bought it, read it, and it changed the course of my treatment after I stood my ground with the Shrinks.

Now what was my point about the older retirement home resident? The poor soul likely had a good old fashioned Inner Ear Infection that GP's knew would literally drive you nuts and the specialist at the hospital missed it. Yes an Inner Ear Infection does make sounds seem much louder. I've always wondered was she taken to a doctor and antidepressants used to treat her as well because she had anxiety? Doctors today due to time constraints caused by HMO's etc don't have the time to do detective work.

85 posted on 12/06/2014 1:36:08 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Altariel

I’m thinking crisis negotiator or psychiatrist to deal with the mentally I’ll rather than combat troops but that’s just me.


86 posted on 12/06/2014 1:49:01 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: null and void

Ping.


87 posted on 12/06/2014 1:51:19 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: Altariel; Alaska Wolf; DCBryan1; Slings and Arrows; Doomonyou; napscoordinator; Shimmer1; ...
JBT Ping list


88 posted on 12/06/2014 2:03:23 PM PST by null and void (Will the obama love story be called Broke Barack Mountin' or The Love That Dare Not Say Hussein?)
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To: cloudmountain

LOL!


89 posted on 12/06/2014 2:08:32 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Mad Dawgg
remember its OK to choke hold someone now till they die... If you work for the gub'ment that is... Or you can just kill a guy who has locked himself in a room with a weapon..

It's ok to put a choke hold on a guy who doesn't cover his mouth when he sneezes...if you work for the government.

It's ok to kill a guy who forgets to pay his income tax...if you...no, that's not right. Al Capone spent the rest of his life in Alcatraz for not paying his income taxes.

90 posted on 12/06/2014 7:24:32 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cva66snipe

You certainly have been through a lot of tragedy. I’m sorry about your first wife. 23 is so young. And I’m sorry about what happened to your second wife. Hope she’s doing well now.

I’ve always had a mistrust of psychotropic medications, but I do understand that they’re necessary sometimes.


91 posted on 12/07/2014 10:52:30 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes
Things happen that's just life. The Lord is there in the good and the bad times. We do have plenty of good times too.

The medications can turn on a person fast. All it takes is for example a patient taking an antidepressant to get a cold and take OTC NyQuil. That is one of the most common triggers of Serotonin Syndrome. I also believe strongly they should not be given to teens except when all other means including One on One Therapy has failed and other causes ruled out. I believe either unintentionally some of the school shooters etc have had this reaction or figured out how to "Trip" taking antidepressants. The unintentional ones they knew not what they did or caused. It really can be more potent than LSD.

Doctors prescribe the deemed mainly by media and social pressures "Safer" antidepressants and cringe in horror at the extremely media over-hyped boogieman class of meds like Valium, Xanax, Librium, etc which have a bloodstream life of only hours.

A doctor can give a patient a Benzo and have the person sit in the waiting room for about 30-60 minutes and he's going to see pretty much how the person reacts to the medication. antidepressants take up to a month to reach full therapeutic levels in the bloodstream and adverse reaction can happen at any point in between.

92 posted on 12/07/2014 4:56:55 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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