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If someone breaks in your house (vanity)

Posted on 12/15/2014 8:48:20 AM PST by GreaterSwiss

Having a debate with anti-gun coworker. If someone breaks in your house and they see your face... Do you let them steal everything and assume they won't hurt you.

I claim once they see your face, that you are more likely to be hurt/killed by them and should do self-defense.


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To: cripplecreek

“Smile and wait for flash”


21 posted on 12/15/2014 9:02:21 AM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I would be equally concerned either way. Those who plan enough to conceal their faces, wearing ski masks for example, are probably very worried about being caught, which suggests they would be willing to get violent to avoid leaving witnesses.

Those who don’t think ahead and realize during a felony that they could be identified might panic and get violent. The act of entering an occupied home is an inherently violent act, and as far as I’m concerned the illegal entry is enough to morally justify self-defense. As far as the legal justification, that depends on where you live.


22 posted on 12/15/2014 9:02:25 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: exnavy

Ditto!


23 posted on 12/15/2014 9:02:48 AM PST by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack is back in 2014!)
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To: wrench

Its your basic point and click interface.


24 posted on 12/15/2014 9:03:18 AM PST by cripplecreek (You can't half ass conservatism.)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Anyone have statistics?

I would not trust most statistics in this area. Everyone has an agenda, and most statistics you see are just liars doing what liars do.

And, in any case, the statistic you are most likely to see is "Dead Burglar vs. Dead Homeowner". That is not a good metric to use, since they are both negative outcomes (the latter much worse than the former, obviously). A better statistic would be "Burglar Fleeing or Stopped vs. Dead Homeowner", but that is one you do not often see. An even better metric would be "Burglar deterred vs. Dead Homeowner", but that is unknowable.

25 posted on 12/15/2014 9:03:50 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Every driver with a "Ready For Hillary" bumper sticker had to scrape off a "Obama 12" bumper sticker)
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To: GreaterSwiss
Do you let them steal everything and assume they won't hurt you

Umm, no.

26 posted on 12/15/2014 9:05:29 AM PST by corlorde (Oath Keeper)
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To: cripplecreek

Don’t know about city dwellers, I have never lived in a city, but it is a good bet nearly every home in rural America has at least one firearm, and the homeowner is more than willing to demonstrate its use to uninvited guests.


27 posted on 12/15/2014 9:07:21 AM PST by wrench (Ebola is not a threat to the US. 0bama says so, and he would never lie..........)
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To: thefactor
I’ll search his body for weapons after the threat has been stopped.

And then place one in his cold, dead hand in order to reinforce my testimony to the local constabulary. If they can understand it through my gasping, sobs and crocodile tears.

I keep a couple of nasty looking knives stashed for just such a purpose.

28 posted on 12/15/2014 9:08:29 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are not inclined to commit crimes.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I would guess most home invasions are done by very desperate people...people desperate for money or for drugs. Desperate people aren’t rational. They’ve chosen to violate someone else’s privacy and dwelling and they’ve determined they’re going to steal from them. The only way to be safe in that situation is not to be home. If you’re home the odds that something bad is going to happen to you seem very good unless the intruder is a master thief.


29 posted on 12/15/2014 9:10:29 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: GreaterSwiss

Has anyone heard of the Mozambique drill?


30 posted on 12/15/2014 9:15:39 AM PST by enotheisen (CMSGT USAF Ret)
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To: petercooper

The first face they would see here would be my Rottweiler’s.He can be very unpleasant at times.


31 posted on 12/15/2014 9:21:11 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Anyone who comes into my home while me or my family are there has made a conscious decision to cross the rubicon between life and death.

Instead of choosing a time when none are home, they have specifically chosen a time when we are home, therefore placing our lives at risk...

Any and all means for defending my family will be employed.


32 posted on 12/15/2014 9:21:17 AM PST by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

If they break into my house, they are there for no good reason. I am not waiting to find out what the reason is.


33 posted on 12/15/2014 9:28:15 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: GreaterSwiss

Really it’s a pure matter of game theory. If they’ve seen your face then you’ve seen their face, which dramatically increases your ability to send them to jail, which means it’s in their best interest to kill you, which of course puts it in your best interest to shoot first.


34 posted on 12/15/2014 9:30:18 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Does not matter if they see my face or not, because it will be the last face they see.


35 posted on 12/15/2014 9:56:35 AM PST by ExpatGator (I hate Illinois Nazis!)
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To: GreaterSwiss

I think the proper Vanderbilt society rules are that you announce your presence and warmly warn your visitor that you are presently armed and to extend your weapon with your pinkie finger raised, being careful always to discharge your weapon from the left and remove the carcass from the right.


36 posted on 12/15/2014 10:10:59 AM PST by OrangeHoof (Every time you say no to a liberal, you make the Baby Barack cry.)
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To: GreaterSwiss

According to many security protection systems, all the burglars are white, if by some by highly unlikely chance a black guy breaks in, you better be armed and ready.


37 posted on 12/15/2014 10:29:46 AM PST by RetSignman (Obama is the walking, talking middle finger in the face of America)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Bad idea to post hypothetical responses here.


38 posted on 12/15/2014 10:43:28 AM PST by LadyBuck (Strangeways, here we come....)
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To: GreaterSwiss

Interesting that FR would be used as a sounding board for this kind of question. “What would you do if” is a standard counter-intel prize piece of info.


39 posted on 12/15/2014 1:19:21 PM PST by LurkedLongEnough
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To: GreaterSwiss

They ain’t gonna be looking at my face. They will be too busy looking at my 12 gauge.


40 posted on 12/15/2014 1:22:05 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you are not part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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