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To: annalex; 9thLife; Mrs. Don-o
Your response is devoid of fact...

You may confuse your own opinions as being facts, but I'm not stupid enough to agree with you, there. :^')

You yourself do that near daily on these pages. Pretty much whenever venturing forth from behind the ye olde cut-'n-paste Caucus confines.

Your own words, your expressed opinions in regards to those "Protestants" (which seem to live 'rent free' in your mind) -- are most often either groundless assertion -- or assertions stretched from slim grounds, to then encompass all.

Yet what I was speaking towards were actual facts of the issues, which if properly framed -- would not, in end result be something which would all that badly;

The septic tank as shown on the old map I was referring to --- may not have been used at all. There could have been yet another. Yet if it was used previously -- but then cleaned out -- disused for a time -- possibly fresh earth put in as a bottom -- then use of that as burial crypt would be not much of a scandal.

There was no money for burials (although earliest Tuam records do indicate a few coffins were purchased --- in the 1930's)...and there was in fact a graveyard, sort-of right across the road, perpendicularly to the Northwest of the facility, in which none of the almost 800 "babies" on Corliss's list were buried within, or any other cemetery for miles around.

The map showing "sewage tank" indicating that being at or near the location which many bones were indeed found --- is what led to the headlines which exaggerated the situation, by adding the word "dumped" which Corliss herself did not say. Yet she did mention the strong possibility that the structure had been a septic tank at one time.

One of the earliest articles published May 27 http://www.thejournal.ie/tuam-mass-grave-babies-1488267-May2014/ among other considerations, had the following;

The site was previously known to be a graveyard, locally suspected to be one for unbaptised babies or famine victims, but it was thought that a small number of children were interred there.

After the home was closed in the 1960s, two boys were playing close to the site when they discovered partially broken concrete slabs covering a hollow – a disused septic tank, which had been in use prior to the 1920s when the building was a workhouse but then emptied.

‘Filled with bones’

The boys broke the concrete and discovered a hole “filled to the brim with bones”.

A housing estate was build where the home used to be, and a local couple had been tending to the graveyard plot for 35 years, trimming the grass and planting flowers.

The husband, Padraic, had built a small grotto as well.

As far as the "unbaptised babies" portion goes...though there are reasons to possibly not include that portion as being actually true as for the "Tuam babies"--- the article and commentary was FIRST ---- speaking of "babies" thought to have died back in the 19th century "work house" days, not babies born at the time the nuns were in charge of things, but then later came to be in the minds of some to have that "unbaptized" concept applied to the babies born at the unwed mothers facility.

The arguments relied upon to fully dispel the "unbaptized" concept from applying to the Tuam babies ---- still leaves something to be desired, for the arguments rely upon a form of statistical averaging of numbers baptized from among many "mother and baby homes" (homes for unwed mothers) other than Tuam alone, with a decided lack of direct verification of numbers (and names of those) baptized at Tuam itself, though there can or could be reasonable enough explanations for that sort of lack of record keeping to have not made it to this era, also, thus no 'scandal'.

All in all as for that score -- it does appear that many, or even most of the babies born at these facilities were often enough baptized by [Roman] Catholic priests -- by request of the nuns whom were in charge of the facilities.

Setting that narrow consideration to the side, for now;

I came across this from a woman named Ophelia Benson, who says

if any are interested in how the story first began to come to common-day discussions. http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2014/06/catherine-corless-synopsis-of-her-research-on-tuam-motherbaby-home/

131 posted on 01/18/2015 4:04:51 PM PST by BlueDragon ( Is it Islamophobic to oppose these beheadings?)
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To: BlueDragon; 9thLife; Mrs. Don-o
Your response is devoid of fact.

That is true. That it is my opinion and not an explanation of the teachings of the Catholic Church is also true.

what I was speaking towards were actual facts of the issues, which if properly framed -- would not, in end result be something which would all that badly

Of course not. That was my conclusion about that burial well as well. That is why I am not here to reflect on that Irish thing at all. The only contribution I could make was the general remark that I did make.

171 posted on 01/19/2015 7:29:46 AM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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