Posted on 02/09/2015 11:34:33 AM PST by rickmichaels
At the time the British government announced the Longitude Prize, shipwrecks were a grave problem – many people died, ships and cargo were lost. It was decided that a reward in the form of what would be millions in today’s dollars should be given to the person who devised a method by which a ship’s longitude could reliably be determined – making accurate navigation possible.
Ultimately, the prize was successful. Many lives were saved. Faced as we are now with alarming outbreaks of measles and whooping cough, we need a similar competition.
Who, 50 years ago, would ever have imagined we’d need to promise a reward to the person able to persuade wealthy, educated parents to do this small thing for their own children – of whom they seem quite fond – and for those who come into contact with those children, about whom one hopes they’d give a damn.
Yet here we are. There are schools in the wealthiest parts of Los Angeles where the vaccination rate is on a par with that of South Sudan – fashionable tinder boxes of measles waiting to go up. Pertussis (the far-less-fun-than-it-sounds “whooping cough”) is making a dramatic comeback.
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Would you prefer vaccines not use any preservatives and allow deadly bacteria to grow instead? Then you might actually have something to fear about vaccines that is based on sound science, rather some garbage from an anti-vaccine site you found on the internet.
Between 1952 - 1962 the death rate from measles was 0.017%. Additionally the rate of permanent injury from measles was 0.03%. I’m not trying to take anything away from the people who died or were injured, but in the scheme of things, that’s a pretty low rate for people to get in a panic over.
Since 1989 there have been 57 deaths and 950ish injuries from the MMR vaccine reported to the VAERS. Of those, about 1/3 were found to have enough evidence to be compensated for the death/injury. I have not been able to find any credible data on how that 1/3 splits between deaths and injuries. This is just MMR; all other vaccines have the same info available for your look up at the CDC and/or HHS websites. But clearly there is some, yet very rare, risk to the vaccines.
I am neither anti nor pro-vax. I personally don’t care if someone wants to or doesn’t want to vaccinate their kids; it’s a personal choice. I do have a real problem with both sides calling the other side “stupid”, as I think there are valid reasons to and not to vaccinate. I do have a real problem with people who want force vaccinations. You cannot force someone to take a medical risk, and there is clearly a risk to some although very small, to minimize a risk for someone else.
Oh yes, the vaccine was introduced in 1963. So 1952 - 1962 was the 10 years prior to there being a vaccine.
The birth rate was about 4,000,000 a year during the 1952 to 1962 time period.
lets take it that the at risk population was only 10 X 4000000 or 40,000,000. At .017% that would be 6,800 dead during that period. The period between 1989 and now is 26 years, or 2.6 times the 10 years from 1952 to 1962. 2.6 X 6,800 gives you 17,680 dead, and this would be a very low number.
1000 or so dead or injured by the vax that saved at least 17,000.
You’re using math and statistics on FR...is that allowed?
;-)
I’m not an ‘anti-vaxxer’.
I HAD Rubella and German measles as a kid, therefore, by the science of all these years since, I do not NEED a vaccination. My body has developed a natural immunity.
Your data is incorrect. There were approximately 300 - 500 deaths per year in the decade prior to the vaccine with another 1000 injuries per year. Approximately 3 - 4 million per year caught measles.
Anyway, I’m not arguing that the vaccine is effective in preventing the disease. I’m just saying, in a free society I don’t believe you can force people to take a risk to minimize someone else’s. It’s concerning to me that any conservative is okay with this.
See my reply #47
Rubella *is* German Measles
I of course don’t have a label; I got the shot at work, and the company nurse confirmed it.
I wonder which is worse...reading crap on the internet or hearing it from gov’t. officials who have proved untruthful in so many areas.
This is what matters - can't you see you're under attack?
So is it time to blame and fight each other over hit and miss solutions, and strive to minimize the carnage inflicted on us but look the other way from the perpetrators?! So few focus on where the biological attacks originate!
Why do bring the liberal diversionary needle prick debate red herring tactic here? Makes me sick watching this side show, on FR no less.
Foul language has been removed from this post for your pleasant reading enjoyment, now go back to your entertainment.
And you think all babies drink breast milk?
Exactly, which is why it is damn near a war crime to bring 70,000 minors from Central America and plop them right down in our schools and day cares(which they get for free). Are we to believe these 70,000 kids are up to date on their vaccines? Of course not.
How about listening to neither and listen to medical professionals instead of trying to think the Internet will make you a genius either way?
True. There are a few that still contain it, though. It is related to mercury. It is an organomercury. But, as I’m sure you know, the “dose makes the poison,” as they say, and the amount of thiomersol, when it is even used, is tiny, and well below the point where it would or could cause any problems.
People used to take calomel (mercury chloride) in much larger doses, for crying out loud. As Groucho and Chico said:
Baravelli: ‘At’s a-funny, I got a “haddock” too.
Wagstaff: What do you take for a “haddock”?
Baravelli: Sometimes I take an aspirin, sometimes I take a calomel.
Wagstaff: Say, I’d walk a mile for a calomel.
Baravelli: You mean chocolate calomel.
“Some inactivated flu vaccine contains a very small amount of a mercury-based preservative called thimerosal. Studies have shown that thimerosal in vaccines is not harmful, but flu vaccines that do not contain a preservative are available.”
This part I suppose
All i know is i spent a hot, humid no air conditioning Connecticut summer cooped up, with three different sicknesses, including measles.
This was when the RCA color tv’s were the rage.
That was a rough summer!
On the bright side, you probably never have to worry about measles, or the other two diseases again. Unless you’re one of the odd people who get the disease and still don’t develop immunity to it. Again, rare, but it does happen.
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