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The paradox of popping back in time
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20150216-the-truth-about-movie-time-travel ^

Posted on 02/17/2015 6:11:33 AM PST by BenLurkin

One of the fundamentals that underpins not just physics but every aspect of existence is the law of cause and effect, always in that order. Changing the past would violate that: your actions would affect what caused you to go back in the first place – so if you did manage to kill Hitler he wouldn’t have done what led you to go back and kill him.

That doesn’t stop filmmakers exploring the consequences if you could somehow drop in on history. For Hollywood, applause and special effects are more important than cause and effect, and time travel offers unlimited opportunities to push both imagination and CGI to their limits. Hence screen time machines have included a police box (Dr Who), a phone booth (Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure), a DeLorean sports car (Back to the Future) and a big nudes-only energy ball (Terminator).

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To: xp38

They always travelled to the past and made good use of movie footage spliced in from Hollywood movie productions


21 posted on 02/17/2015 7:17:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: null and void

Even better.


22 posted on 02/17/2015 7:23:27 AM PST by a fool in paradise (Shickl-Gruber's Big Lie gave us Hussein's Un-Affordable Care act (HUAC).)
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To: edpc

Forget shooting Hitler,

If I ever get a time machine I am going after woodrow wilson...


23 posted on 02/17/2015 7:24:41 AM PST by GraceG (Protect the Border from Illegal Aliens, Don't Protect Illegal Alien Boarders...)
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To: BenLurkin

He sort of has it right.

You can visit the past, but in doing do, you have created a new timeline going forward. You cannot return to your original timeline. The new timeline may be similar, but because so many events turn on what amounts to chance, the further back you go, the more unrecognizable your starting point will be should you ever return to it.

There is a coherent “real” timeline, we may or may not be in it, that “created” timelines either merge into at some point or branch away from entirely. What happens to those branching timelines is the stuff of fantasy and nightmares.


24 posted on 02/17/2015 7:25:10 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138

“in doing so” not “in doing do”

Proofreading and morning do not go together.


25 posted on 02/17/2015 7:26:39 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: camle

That was the one episode I remember and this show has hardly ever been shown in reruns since it only lasted one season and you need a certain number of shows to get any sort of syndication deal. So I went to wiki and all the episodes are listed and 3 of the 30 episodes went into the future.


26 posted on 02/17/2015 7:32:12 AM PST by xp38
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To: freepertoo
Back to the Future Day is coming up in 2015..


27 posted on 02/17/2015 7:35:59 AM PST by IamConservative (If fighting fire with fire is a good idea, why do the pros use water?)
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To: Crusher138

There is something else that is never addressed. Where we were in the past in terms of space is very different to where we are now since the earth /solar system/ galaxy and who knows what else are all in motion.


28 posted on 02/17/2015 7:40:56 AM PST by xp38
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To: Darksheare
The book “The Time Machine” also mentioned killer satellites long before space exploration was a technical possibility.

I doubt that. Would you care to cite chapter and verse?

Regards,

29 posted on 02/17/2015 7:46:55 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: xp38

well three out of 30 is better than none out of 30. i loved the show as a kid, and have both seasons on dvd. haven’t finished watching them all yet.


30 posted on 02/17/2015 7:49:47 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: xp38
True except for one episode IIRC they always traveled into the past but hey nothing said 1960s like a psychedelic tunnel.

Episode 2: One Way to the Moon." Tony and Doug travel to the far-flung future year of 1978!

Episode 24: ""Chase Through Time." Tony and Doug travel to A.D. 1 million.

Regards,

31 posted on 02/17/2015 7:54:23 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek
Overlooked one:

Episode 30: "Town of Terror." Tony and Doug return to the far-flung year of 1978!

Regards,

32 posted on 02/17/2015 7:59:54 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

Ok to get nit picky 24 is only partial since two other times are visited both in the past. Ep 28 goes to 8433 AD so the total of future visits is 3 and 1/3 episodes out of 30.


33 posted on 02/17/2015 8:09:05 AM PST by xp38
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To: BenLurkin

I'll always make sure to be carrying one of these, just in case.

34 posted on 02/17/2015 8:11:04 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BenLurkin

Paradox is not possible, imho. If it can be done it already has been done. Your future self is predestined to do so, if you traveled back in time.


35 posted on 02/17/2015 8:13:11 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: xp38
...and who knows what else are all in motion.

I remember a Science Fiction short story about a man who had invented a time machine, which of course needed lots of energy. He planned his first trip to begin at the local electric power-plant, which was closed for generator maintenance.

The departure point was from within the shell of a giant generator whose rotor was out for maintenance. The trip was supposed to last for two hours. When the man did not return by the next day or week or month, his engineer friend assumed that he had been killed in the past.

The work was completed on the generator rotor, it was reinstalled and brought back on-line. Some time later, in the middle of the night, the engineer friend sat up in bed having suddenly realized the error the time traveler had made in his return calculations. As he reached for the phone to call for the shutdown of the generator, he heard the explosion at the power plant several miles away.

The time traveler had returned to his point of departure inside the shell of the generator. His mass of 180 pounds had been added, off center, to the rapidly spinning rotor. The resultant imbalance tore apart the generator, shorting the circuits, etc...

“It has long been an axiom of mine that the little things are infinitely the most important.”

― Arthur Conan Doyle,

36 posted on 02/17/2015 8:18:01 AM PST by BwanaNdege
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To: BenLurkin

Spock Meets Spock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ppo5YIYwTM


37 posted on 02/17/2015 8:45:57 AM PST by Ready4Freddy
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To: BenLurkin

I saw a TV movie years ago (don’t remember the title) about an Elvis impersonator who travels back in time and meets Elvis just before he made his first recording at Sun Records. The two end up getting into a fight, and he accidentally kills Elvis. Realizing what he’s done, the impersonator tells himself that there cannot be a world without Elvis Presley in it, so he decides to take his place, does the recording session at Sun, and lives the rest of his life as the person that everybody thinks was the real Elvis Presley.


38 posted on 02/17/2015 8:52:33 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: BenLurkin

Master Ken will show you how to move faster than the speed of light.

Absolutely amazing video:
(begin at 4:20 if you are impatient)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hMoA7Q75cg


39 posted on 02/17/2015 9:50:47 AM PST by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: xp38
There is something else that is never addressed. Where we were in the past in terms of space is very different to where we are now since the earth /solar system/ galaxy and who knows what else are all in motion.

Exactly!

I've brought this up many times in time-travel discussions. The Earth, she rotates. She also travels around the sun. The solar system travels around the galaxy's rotation. The several galaxies in our local group have relative motion relative to each other. The universe itself appears to be expanding. Taken together the cumulative Delta-V is significant. If you want to go back to see the dinosaurs, you're going to need not only a time machine, but a spaceship with an FTL drive, and damn good records of the relative positions of not only our sun within it's galaxy, but the motions of the Local Group as well.

The computation required just to find your way home would be ... astronomical.

All that said, I still really like time travel stories, as long as the writer remembers causality. Breaking causality pisses me off.

40 posted on 02/17/2015 10:08:00 AM PST by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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