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Pope says Koran is a book of peace and Islam is a peaceful religion
Daily Mail ^ | 3/13/15 | The Pope himself

Posted on 03/13/2015 6:41:54 PM PDT by RaceBannon

People need to examine whether the faith they claim is really Biblical.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: apostasy; catholicism; error; islam; lastdays; pope; popefrancis; popefranciskoran; popeoutofcontrol; romancatholicism; rome
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To: savagesusie

Jesuits are not always brilliant, in intellectual terms, but they are almost always crafty and have a great opinion of themselves. They have a track record for that (odd, since St. Ignatius himself was actually a very honorable man and very brave, but also quite self-effacing, especially considering his social status).

I always have to remind myself of the good Jesuits I have known, either personally or historically (Gerard Manley Hopkins was a Jesuit, but he was definitely a misfit in the order!). Some suffered for the Faith very heroically in Russia and elsewhere under the Communists - but that was before the Jesuits seem to have been taken over by crypto-Marxist thought. Now the few good Jesuits are persecuted by the majority, and unfortunately, Bergoglio represents the majority.

That said, I still don’t think he’s a smart man - although I agree that he’s fully aware of the impact of his actions and that his objective is the destruction of the Church. He backs off every now and then and takes refuge in his senile great uncle act, where he issues a long, windy and vague statement that is supposed to tranquilize us and make us think he didn’t really mean what he just said a few hours earlier. Or not in the way it sounded, at least...

So I think there’s still time to stop him, because he can still be made to back off. But the problem is that he is filling Rome with people of his ilk, exiling, ridiculing or silencing anybody who even murmurs against the program, and has now moved on to silencing bloggers and independent people, mostly clergy but also some laypeople, who are nobody in terms of their power in Rome but are important in shaping opinion. Several blogs that I read in Spanish have suddenly gone silent on him (Pope? What Pope?) or gone from rational, measured analysis to a spate of gushing, usually after the blogger has been “invited” to Rome for a visit. In a couple of cases, bishops and in one case the nuncio have ordered priest bloggers to stop blogging.

In my opinion, Francis is the Obama of the Catholic Church: not a smart man, but a crafty and ruthless one who is completely transforming the position of servant of the servants into one of unlimited power, personally exercised at his whim, and accountable to no one.

BTW, in terms of families, I lived in SF for many years and knew a lot of gay people, and I never met a single one who came from what one might consider a healthy family. Usually the problem was that the father was either absent (many lesbians had this problem) or ineffectual or even brutal. If there was a “smother mother,” something that seemed to be the problem of gay men, it was because the father had abandoned his responsibilities or his role for one reason or another, ranging from alcoholism to just plain dysfunctionality. So in my opinion, homosexuality is definitely the result of a failure of parenting.


141 posted on 03/14/2015 3:42:38 PM PDT by livius
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Oh, not so fast with the a supreme non sequitur about man and savior.

I am beginning to wonder if English is your first language since you don’t seem to appreciate the difference between a nuance and a “damn the torpedoes” rhetoric even if (not almost) certainly innocent men, women, and children will be butchered by the barbarians and you care not for this consequence.

Where then am I missing in logic, that such a person is of equally vile mind and purpose?


142 posted on 03/14/2015 4:08:09 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

nuance and damn the torpedos is a false phony straw weak argument choice....you are not on a certain level....


143 posted on 03/14/2015 4:09:29 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: RaceBannon

That statement alone is proof that the pope has not read their book.


144 posted on 03/14/2015 4:10:10 PM PDT by sport
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To: RaceBannon

The Pope must be mental then.

Hear the Pope lie.
See the Pope lie.
Watch the Pope run away from his moral obligations.


145 posted on 03/14/2015 4:11:32 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Unable to differentiate between nuance and “pander” you closed that escape hatch with your earlier logic that has you consigned to the same consequences sought by the barbarians.


147 posted on 03/14/2015 4:13:26 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: lurked_for_a_decade

Exactly, thanks. All too often we deal with a set of retards around here.


148 posted on 03/14/2015 4:14:48 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

you are advocating pandering. You call it nuance to make yourself look smarter than you are, and because you’re a sycophantic papal apologist...but it’s PANDERING PERIOD.

Go take your “Christians are equally to blame” rant to Huff Po or DU.


149 posted on 03/14/2015 4:15:53 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade

You are the one coming off like Westboro, you and Steelfish. Nice try though...(not really).


150 posted on 03/14/2015 4:18:03 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: Steelfish

Your welcome.


151 posted on 03/14/2015 4:22:17 PM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowlege!)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Sorry if I had you trapped in your own inescapable rhetoric making you look like seeking the same results of the butchers. I’ll take “papal apologist” over advocating speech that brings innocent blood on my hands.


152 posted on 03/14/2015 4:26:09 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: lurked_for_a_decade
Ping! ( to WWFRRF ). Incoming ...... in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ,,

10 dollars to whomever guesses how long it takes for the storm troopers of the WWFRRF to arrive.

153 posted on 03/14/2015 4:27:25 PM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowlege!)
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To: Steelfish

and I’ll continue to stand for the truth......while you wimp away and pander. You are pathetic for blaming the blood shed by the Islamists terrorists on those who criticize them. You are perfectly cut out for being a liberal weenie pacifist.

If the shoe fits, don’t break your heels.....


154 posted on 03/14/2015 4:28:23 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (www.FireKarlRove.com NOW)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I guess the next thing the Pope should do is “stand for the truth” and call all Indians a nation of rapists not unlike your logic that all Muslims be branded as terrorists. Perhaps, a little secret for you, some Muslims have converted to Catholicism because it is not an eye-for-an-eye religion.


155 posted on 03/14/2015 4:33:16 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

The Church has it’s own Obama in Pope Francis and he could outlast Obama for some time.


156 posted on 03/14/2015 4:34:48 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade
We'll we shut that anti-popist thread down. My work here is done.

propterea accipite armaturam Dei ut possitis resistere in die malo et omnibus perfectis star

157 posted on 03/14/2015 5:23:47 PM PDT by lurked_for_a_decade (Imagination is more important than knowlege!)
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To: lurked_for_a_decade
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open ones mount and remove all doubt.

I could be wrong, but believe Mark Twain is the culprit.

158 posted on 03/14/2015 6:45:46 PM PDT by amorphous
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To: RaceBannon
"He is agreeing with them

When he is quoting them, he is NOT contradicting them, he is quoting them because that is his answer, too"

From a few second clip with no context of what else he said on this occassion, it is impossible to draw that conclusion.

159 posted on 03/14/2015 7:11:14 PM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: RaceBannon
I feel an obligation to reply, since you wrote to me.

Did you happen to see Hannity's interview with that 20-something Black protestor in Ferguson? Hannity tells him about the findings of the Justice Dept, point by point, but the protestor absolutely doesn't hear it, and reiterates the Gibsmedat Narrative of the shooting.

I feel a bit like Hannity here. I am not necessarily defending the pope's stance relative to the Moslems. I am saying, as so many others have on this thread, that the video clip you referenced gives what the pope said others said.
160 posted on 03/14/2015 8:36:36 PM PDT by jobim (.)
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