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To: Swordmaker
Final reply, I swear...

But when you post the negative article, you put a positive spin on it, *always.* That's the part I see, at least, that drew out the Baghdad Bob comparison. For example, below are the last ten "negative" postings on Apple you put up. Virtually all of them are spun to the point where - when juxtaposed like this - modest men would be embarrassed at the transparency of it all.

Article: Lots of Apple Watch Listings on eBay Are Attracting Zero Bids
Your translation: "eBay Apple Watch profiteers are not finding it easy picking to sell Apple Watches for huge windfall profits to eager early adopters."
Spin: This is not a lack of interest, this is failed profiteering.

Article: iPhone, iPad and Mac bug could allow hackers to remotely launch DoS attack
Your translation: "Kaspersky "finds" an already closed vulnerability in iOS 8 and OS X. This vulnerability was closed in the OS X.10.3 and iOS 8.3 updates . . . and it was included in Apple's list of security fixes. Quite an amazing "discovery" on Kaspersky's part."
Spin: Apple didn't make a mistake originally, they FIXED one already. They are so far ahead of the game, that I should mock Kaspersky by putting their "finds" in quotes. (But... uh... if you haven't upgraded already... you might wanna.)

Article: Apple iCult spurns Steve Jobs values: Ex-employee reveals 'toxic culture' at headquarters
Your translation: A single source article written by a journalist who has never had anything positive to say about Apple based on a screed from a blogger, supposedly written by an ex-Apple employee castigating the horrors of working in the slave driven iCult Apple headquarters. "Is it a coincidence that the new Apple Campus looks like a giant spaceship?" (Ben) Farrell wrote. "Maybe the plan is for everyone to drink poisoned 'Kool-Aid' before ascending to the mother ship." It certainly is FUD SEASON! — PING!
Spin: PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN. Obviously "FUD," your favorite acronym if the article is negative.

Article: Many Users Reporting Touch ID Not Working in App Store on iOS 8.3
Your translation: A small number of user of IPhone 5s, 6, 6plus and iPad Air 2 are reporting a minor bug with TouchID not working only with Apple's online store after upgrading to iOS 8.3. Anyone experiencing this? I just bought two iBooks using it with no problems PING!
Spin: Article says "many," but I will say "small" because I haven't personally experienced it! I will also be sure to categorize the bug as minor, even though "minor" bugs often go unreported. Stuff that affects user experience or blocks usage is actually categorized as Medium or higher in the IT world.

Article: Stanford Lecturer On Apple's Innovation Drought
Your translation: [Original Ping seems to be gone, but your comments speak for themselves. You dismiss everything in the article]
Spin: You basically dismiss the whole article.

Article: Italy prosecutors wrap up tax probe into Apple: sources
Your translation: "The Italian authorities have wrapped up their probe into Apple's tax practices. . . and found they are in compliance with the EU's Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development which established the rules of taxation between member countries. Italy was upset that the EU's taxation rules does not allow them to tax Apple unitarily in contravention of the EU laws — PING!"
Spin: This one is laughable, actually. The probe was for 2008-2013. Apple issued a statement about 2007-2009 and you twisted Apple's statement regarding that time frame to be the result of this investigation. Actually, with the inquiry complete, the article says they can now decide whether to prosecute. There is nothing in there that indicates a decision has been made by authorities that Apple was in compliance for the entire period investigated.

Article: Apple Posts Security Update 2015-003, iPhoto 9.6.1 Updates
Your translation: "Apple releases OS X 2015-003 Security update to fix a glitch in last week's Security patch OS X 2015-002. . . which did not quite get everything on all Macs. Also an update to iPhoto. — PING!"
Spin: Interestingly, you didn't have to spin this one too bad... because the very first lines of the article did it for you! "Don't these people ever rest???" It's not that Apple released something with a security flaw. It's that they fixed it. They're soooo diligent and lovely!

Article: Is Apple Cheating On The Dividends?
Your translation: "Another example of a CLICKBAIT article title that is not supported by the article itself. . . and this one did actual financial damage by implying evil intent to Apple in deciding the amount of the dividends the company pays. . . while the article is actually about Apple may be recalculating their dividend rate. Apple has been buying back stock as an alternate way of returning value to stockholders. The article is serious analysis, the title is FUD. — PING!"
Spin: The summary of the analysis actually indicates that Apple dividends ARE falling behind. Nonetheless, cue your favorite acronym - FUD!

Article: Apple Removes Intego's 'VirusBarrier' From iOS App Store, Says It's Misleading
Your translation: Apple is pulling iOS Anti-Virus apps from the Apple iOS App store because iOS is not susceptible to viruses. . . and the Apps only scan for non-iOS malware. . . and Apple decided that was misleading. — PING!
Spin: iOS is NOT SUSCEPTIBLE! LOL. Maybe current versions have patched, but not all devices are on the current version! 6 months ago - http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-ios-bug-lets-fake-apps-sneak-onto-iphones-ipads/ iOS was susceptible for this unknown threat then - who is to say what they don't know now?

Article: Chrome, Firefox, Explorer, Safari were all hacked at Pwn2Own contest
Your translation: All major browsers hacked in 2015 Pwn2Own White Hat Hacking including Safari, Internet Explorer, Chrome, and Firefox — PING!
Spin: Well, no real spin here, but a favorite tactic of the Apple crowd. When a vulnerability is exposed, be quick to point out that all the others have vulnerabilities too. (This tactic has extended to Tim Cook's support of the a certain "agenda." The default position is to say, "They all do it!" rather than say, "He does support that, and I *do* disapprove and think it is wrong.")

That's just the last ten. I could keep going back and it would continue on for as long as you have been social marketing... uh... posting here. How could /anyone/ possibly think you act like Baghdad Bob, right?

92 posted on 04/17/2015 8:02:14 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby; dayglored; Star Traveler; PA Engineer; aMorePerfectUnion; itsahoot
That's just the last ten. I could keep going back and it would continue on for as long as you have been social marketing... uh... posting here. How could /anyone/ possibly think you act like Baghdad Bob, right?

Not one of my takes on those articles is false, bolobaby. I stand by them. . . and they were proved out in subsequent days. The only one in which my take turned out wrong was the one on Russian Siri . . . and i am still not convinced about that one. I have not seen proof from Russia or independent corroboration beyond the original video on YouTube. . . only reports that all seem to be coming from the same group. . . who are also it seems the source of the "quotes" attributed to Apple on Apple "fixing" a bug.

On your first example from the eBay article, I explained my position and it was backed up by other Freepers who found the same thing and even expanded on it. Nothing there.

Second article is exactly as I described it. Kaspersky "found" a vulnerability that Apple had patched. There is no other way to describe it. They have done this before. . . reported vulnerabilities that they claim to have FOUND after it is patched by the company involved, and implying they discovered it. I find it amusing and misleading. YOUR reading into my post that I implied that Apple did not "make a mistake originally" was neither in my statement nor need it have been. It is obvious that Apple had to patch the Kernel of OS X. YOU are the one needing to BASH Apple for making a mistake. I have never claimed Apple is perfect. Only you Apple bashers have ever claimed I have.

Third article. . . my take was also an exact description of the source article. IT WAS a single source screed slamming Apple without support or evidence. . . using innuendo and slurs. YOU are the one who apparently believes every word of it with your "PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" as if he is really there. . . yet again, no one came forward to corroborate this yahoo's claims. . . whose duties did not hold water with the position he claims to have held. I again stand on my analysis.

Next article on the "TouchID not working after update to iOS 8.3". Have you heard of ANY MORE COMPLAINTS????? Neither have I. Again, my analysis was right on the money, not yours. My experience with these articles trumps your desire that I should post these and be breathless with panic and claim that there is a huge serious problem. . . when my experience with these reports over TEN YEARS of posting these threads is that there simply is nothing to worry about. I said so.

Innovation Drought. . . yeah. . . one of the Apple Hate Brigade hit the abuse on my Ping to the list. . . why? I have no idea. But the guy demonstrated in his article he did not have even a basic grasp of Apple history, making egregious errors of dates, numbers, and even product names. It was amazing for a so-called Lecturer in business. . . but his so called expertise was that he had taken a company that already existed (and claimed he had founded it) from $4 million to $1.5 billion in 10 years. . . with a SINGLE product by merely acquiring other companies. He seemed to think that gave him some gravitas to tell Apple what they were doing wrong in innovation, when he had never innovated anything in his business career. . . and the commentary on his article from knowledgeable people called him on the same thing. I AM an economist and also an ex-CEO and am qualified to slap his poorly researched position down. . . which I did.

Apple's tax in Europe. . . I did not twist anything. Apple was cleared of wrong doing in Italy. They cooperated with the Italian authorities. Apple also issued a statement showing they had not changed their tax policies from their 2007-2009 policies. So there is nothing laughable about it. They were put under a forensic accountant microscope and passed. YOU are spinning. . . implying that the Italian authorities somehow missed something or were somehow bamboozled by Apple's 2007-2009 statement. Good Grief, you will grasp at straws to smear me. I have followed this case since it's inception. I know what i am talking about. YOU obviously DON'T.

Next article: Clickbait dividends. How else can you characterize this article. . . no one else every supported this bozo's thesis. Apple is under no obligation to issue dividends at all. . . and under Steve Jobs did not. The facts are that Apple has returned more capital to stock holders in the form of dividends and stock buy backs (more than $225 billion in the last three years) than any company in history. This bozo is complaining because they have not done more? Other analysts came to the same conclusion I did. . . clickbait FUD. . . not worth the time to respond.

Then you attack my comment on Apple removing anti-virus from the iOS store. And use what you call an exploit you obviously do not understand at all as an example of "fake Apps sneaking on to iOS" as an example of iOS not being safe. No, bolobaby, that was not what happened. It was that they used a FEATURE of iOS to sneak fake apps on by convincing Chinese users to sign-up with FAKE APP STORES using the iOS BUSINESS feature that allows a business to download custom apps for their employees onto iPhones. It requires the user to ACTIVELY turn on that feature. No anti-virus could stop that. It was neither unknown, nor malware. . . just some unscrupulous Chinese retailers convincing customers to buy grey market iPhones they had turned that feature on that hooked up to their app stores. SHEESH! There is NO malware in the wild for iOS phones, iPads, ZIP, None.

This is what I mean by you spreading FUD when you post. You don't know the facts around what you post. . . but you post anyway.

And finally you attack me for posting correct data that rebutted another Freepers claim that Apple ALWAYS lost the white hat contests. . . since lately that simply is not true. I posted the accurate facts and YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT???? Wow!

I post the FACTS and link to them. I post my opinion, but you don't want me to have an opinion because it differs from your distorted hate opinion. That seems to be a fact too. Well, too bad. I stand by my facts, my knowledge which i have gained through experience and study, and my opinions gained also from experience and study. Yours seem to come from myth and spreaders of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Most of the time, easily rebutted.

The members of the Ping list seem to appreciate my considered opinion on these threads. I get it that you don't. Great. Have a nice weekend.

96 posted on 04/18/2015 1:34:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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