Posted on 05/22/2015 2:22:18 PM PDT by Morgana
FULL TITLE: 19 Kids and Counting taken off the air by TLC in wake of revelation that son Josh molested young girls and his parents Jim Bob and Michelle covered it up
19 Kids and Counting has been taken off the air.
The show has not been officially cancelled at this time, but has been removed from the network's lineup.
The move comes one day after Josh Duggar, the oldest son of the family featured on the program, admitted that he molested young girls when he was a teenager.
Making matters worse, it was also revealed that his parents worked to cover up this scandal.
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“You know, it’s interesting to read the counseling material given to sex abusers by the Gothard cult. It centers mostly around the so-called responsibility of the abused in causing the abuse to happen....for example, not dressing modestly enough and causing the male to be tempted.”
I don’t believe you. I have read a lot of this type of material and have never seen anything like what you are describing. Prove it.
“Also listed as a ‘temptation’ for males is changing a female infant’s diaper. “
Where are you getting this stuff from?
I don't care. Although I note that your refusal to entertain the truth about the Gothard cult says quite a bit.
" I have read a lot of this type of material and have never seen anything like what you are describing. Prove it."
What exactly is "this type of material?" Are you talking about counseling material? Christian counseling material? Because the issue is neither of those. We're talking about the Gothard cult and its view of sex abusers (which isn't surprising, since Gothard himself is a serial pervert).
"Where are you getting this stuff from?"
It's readily available when you google "gothard counseling for sexual abusers", or at recoveringgrace.org, which is the forum set up by those who suffered abuse at the hands of this cult.
I wasn’t dismissing molestation...should the father have shopped his kid around to different counties until one would have had him arrested? Should the dad have had him stoned old testament style? Maybe find some Muslims to have his head cut off? That is your attitude, right?
Were you abused? This hits close to home to you to you doesn’t it to have used such angry large case letters!?
What would be the proper Mea culpa for you? Have the young man go to a high court asking the judge to put him on a sexual predator list? Should he ask for a medical penectomy? Do you want the dad to be put on the sexual predator list list? The mom too because she would have known about it? You need to check your “judgment” privilege at the door of heaven!
The show is off the air. Do you hate King David? His son Amnon raped his sister Tamar. Absolom was furious because his father did nothing about it. Absolom waited 2 years until the time was right and he killed Amnon the half brother and years of civil war was the result of it. The Duggar father at least went so far as to report his son.
Now we know that the Duggar father did attempt some type of legal intervention with his son and the papers were filed(despite the “pron cop”) so there was a record. Families aren’t perfect even Christian families, and now they’ll have leave the limelight and live a more private existence. As for the son in question, it seems God has chosen to use this time to expose him(despite what Satan has also done) and he’ll have to deal with public humiliation and shame far longer than even sexual predators who were young teens and put on the list at a young age would ever have to endure. He is now at Jim Bakker status! People will remember and if the son is truly Christian and has put such practices to death in his life, he’ll have a heavier cross to bear. His ministry is in shambles, he’ll probably not be able to get a job...certainly won’t get any recommendations from his previous employment. He’ll be a joke and a laughing stock, maybe you will read about him someday about how he despaired of life and blew his brains out! Yeah, that should be enough to satisfy your taste for blood vengeance!
Do you claim to be Christian? Or are you on Free Republic looking for opportunities to throw dirt on those of us who are?
This is very sad.
“I’ll take a non-pedophile athiest commie family over a pedophile ‘pro-life and capitalist’ family.”
So the whole family is a pedophile family now? Are you sure you are on the right forum. Collective guilt is not really a conservative value.
There are plenty of atheist commies in this nation who will welcome you into their fold. Be aware though that many of them will try to convince you that what happened should be considered normal and not a crime.
Lena Dunham: “...anything a sexual predator might do to woo a small suburban girl I was trying.”
Jim Webb, Democrat senator from VA and current presidential candidate, from one of his novels: “The man grabbed his young son in his arms, turned him upside down, and put the boy’s penis in his mouth”... another novel of his contains descriptive sexual relations between a 13 year old boy and 15 year old girl.
Kevin Jennings, Obama’s “Safe Schools Czar”, is the founder of GLSEN which has promoted elementary age children being made to read graphic sexual encounters of children their age with adults and portrayed as normal and healthy.
But go ahead and join up with commies if you think that make sense. At least you’re honest enough to let everyone know where you stand.
“that family is **** beyond redemption”
Personally, I will stand by the Duggars and even Josh if he does not re-offend. If any victim wanted to file criminal or civil charges when they are old enough, I would support that too. But I will also support their right to forgive and try to find healing, and for the boy (now man) to put it behind him and raise his family.
I’m glad God did not leave the possibility of redemption in your hands.
The only person who could get away with that excuse was Flip Wilson. All others have to own up to their responsibilities for their actions.
" and he’ll have to deal with public humiliation and shame far longer than even sexual predators who were young teens and put on the list at a young age would ever have to endure. He is now at Jim Bakker status! People will remember and if the son is truly Christian and has put such practices to death in his life, he’ll have a heavier cross to bear. His ministry is in shambles, he’ll probably not be able to get a job...certainly won’t get any recommendations from his previous employment. He’ll be a joke and a laughing stock, maybe you will read about him someday about how he despaired of life and blew his brains out! Yeah, that should be enough to satisfy your taste for blood vengeance!"
Wow. Look at that long paragraph crying over what poor Josh Duggar will have to go through...and not a single word about his sisters---the victims --- and what they've dealt with.
It really is the damndest thing I've ever seen.
As far as I know, only professionals have to report SA cases, not family.
He molested his little sisters?
It was clarified that an individual from the Duggar’s church found a note detailing the molestations in a book he/she had borrowed from the Duggar dad and sent it to the Oprah show who then turned it over to the local police.
That is a very interesting side-story that should be investigated. Instead of turning over the info to the local police(for the sake of the “children”) after consulting the church they were in, he/she tried to create a national embarrassment for the family back in 2006 by sending it to the Oprah show instead. Perhaps someone who was jealous or perhaps wanted some of piece of the Duggar action(the role of snake in the Duggar garden was played by jealous and spiteful fellow church member). I’ll bet that person today feels all pseudo pious to anyone he\she can get to listen to the tale about they “busted” the Duggars...though it may have taken 9 years for the full effect to have happened.
Well the story says the cops did investigate in 2006 but the statute of limitations had passed and that there was no evidence that the behavior continued. The persons involved received counselling and the Judge destroyed records of the incident because one of the minors involved, who apparently was still a minor was afraid her name would get out.
The man was 17 in 2006, had made mistakes , had learned from them and was leading an exemplary life from all accounts and had been up to now.
Freepers often complain about kids as young as 6, 8, 10,12, being put on sexual predator lists. Situations often arise in families that a bit of the thunder of Father and Mom often stops bad behaviors from becoming chronic and then life long malfunctioning mental and behavioral issues. Sometimes it involves their kids “touching each other” even into their young teens. This young man seems to have been reached in time, but now he’ll have bare a heavier cross for a while. He is in “Jim Bakker” territory now and will have to live it down a long time!
Now why and who exposed the story, now at this point is a very interesting question. Was someone thinking about running for office? It has politics and dirty smear tricks written all over this!(the same person who sent Oprah the info back in 2006 perhaps? One of the victims still angry and vengeful?)
Source? I heard that it was notes in a book the father had left by mistake. The “congregant” went and snitched to Oprah hoping to embarrass the family is my guess, instead of sending the note to the local police who would have handled it. So I really suspect the congregant of their own agenda. Why is the story out now by the way? Hmmmmm?
Out of all the stores you looted in Baltimore, which was your favorite?
Why did King David not kill his son Amnon when he raped his half sister Tamar? You want to really understand what sexual sin does in a family...study the off and on 20 year bloody civil war that ensued when Absolom conspired for two years to kill Amnon then run from David. Absolom tried to usurp his father’s throne and had David on the run for a time. In the end, Absolom was destroyed despite David’s attempts to win him back and to preserve his life despite the warfare.
It was during some of this dark time That David wrote some of his most heart felt Psalms. His lament over his (”oh Absalom, my son!”)son’s death makes for some heart breaking reading. Absalom had been right in his sentiments but wrong in opposing his father. David knew his son had been in the right concerning the evil done to Tamar by Amnon, and David’s attempts to make peace with Absalom were spurned, only adding to David’s sense of guilt and shame! Absalom, was not in the right to take it upon himself to be judge and executioner for only the King had that authority, yet David did not act wisely and this stoked Absalom’s bitterness and disgust with his father.
We are evil humans and like all humans, even the best of us are flawed. The Bible even says that God doesn’t punish all folks as they deserve to be punished, instead he reaches out with grace and love for all of us, willing forgive and restore us to himself.
It is said that David was a man after God’s own heart. Here we see in David, (seeking some restoration of Absalom to himself), the coming person of Jesus Christ thru whom the Father was offering restoration to all sinful men, for all time...even you Morgana!
Did not Jesus cry out...”Oh Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that stonest the prophets...would that I had gathered you like a hen gatherest her chicks...?You see the harrowing echo of Christ’s own lament in David’s lament”(””O my son Absalom! My son, my son Absalom! If only I had died instead of you—O Absalom, my son, my son!”) Well, Jesus did die for us...and you too Morgana! I can’t imagine the pain you went thru but I work where I often see the result of such cruelty done to many women and it breaks my heart. Yet I know there can be healing and a place to start again. For anyone!
He did...there were four instances with the sisters, and one with an unrelated girl who was sleeping over at the family's home. The youngest sister he molested was five at the time.
That’s horrible.
Are you ever going to stop wailing about the cross Josh will have to bear and throw in a few words of concern about the victims?
Again I say, they should have gone to the police as soon as it was a question, for the sake and safety of the children. I would have, so would you! So snitching is not the question...but who the person snitched to, and why!
If anything, by going to Oprah, there would have been a delay in the legal authorities investigating the situation and thus skepticism by the cops as to the source. If the person had gone to the cops immediately..going to the state police or the state’s attorney general...then the story would have outed sooner. But no, someone wanted the family “swatted” on Oprah(maybe money and an interview for the one who busted the Duggars)leading to possible national embarrassment of the victims as well. At least Oprah had some sense and kept it quiet. After all she was involved in a Girls school in Africa at the time where the person in charge was molesting the girls there...or did you forget that story “Wideasleep!”!
“Gothard himself is a serial pervert”
I did search as you suggested and found this:
Some of their dissection seems fair enough and some not so fair. The material looks like something that could be helpful or hurtful depending on how it is used and who is being counseled. So thanks for the food for thought. I will consider this side of the issue.
Calling Gothard an abuser seems like a big stretch, though, based on the materials or random, unsubstantiated allegations. Have you ever met him? Or are you basing this on what you read on a website posted by his opponents?
“Let us all know how Good Christian baby-raping is just fine.”
I never said anything remotely resembling your accusation. You are just very offended that someone pointed out what God says about your adultery, one of the ten commandments.
You’ve already had to have one post pulled. Do you plan to continue this nonsense?
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