Posted on 05/22/2015 2:22:18 PM PDT by Morgana
The difference is that I'm not banking from a reality show crowing about my righteousness.
So you pretty much equate baby rapers with an adult having a girlfriend.
Yup. Makes perfect sense.
Your argument is specious and morality self-evident.
Have a great holiday weekend.
“The difference is that I’m not banking from a reality show crowing about my righteousness.”
No, you are on a public forum crowing about it. You are asserting you are a good person because you are not as bad as a child molester.
“So you pretty much equate baby rapers with an adult having a girlfriend.”
Stop lying. I have distinguished the severity of the two. However, the penalty for both under God’s law is the same. And dead is dead.
The real difference between you and the Duggar boy is not the seriousness of your crimes but his remorse and your lack of it.
God says adultery is a big deal. You say it is not (because at least it is not as bad as what this boy did).
Your earlier post stated that you “sure as hell” have committed adultery. I think you should really contemplate your own choice of words here. Do you really think hell is a certainty?
“As I said on earlier posts, those who have been trying hard to destroy this family and their TV show actually advocate these type of sexual assaults as being normal and healthy.
The penal, education, and child protective systems that you place such great confidence in ARE NOT going to bring about a better resolution to this than how it was already handled.”
I do not advocate that and have not expressed any confidence. I dispute this has been handled. It was covered up and has now come to light.
There is no good resolution to these types of things. Lots of damage and fallout usually. That is why it is illegal.
“Your argument is specious and morality self-evident.”
Yours lacks specificity and supporting evidence.
“Have a great holiday weekend.”
You do the same.
You’re just a self-righteous jerk!
Yeah, I figure I'm less a sinner than I child molester.
God says adultery is a big deal. You say it is not (because at least it is not as bad as what this boy did).
I got some hard news for you, bud. You ain't God and I ain't
God and we live here in this world judged by law.. man's law..
and baby rapers get consequences and adults with girlfriends don't.
Go peddle your theocracy down the road.
You are leaving out the fact that a charge of 4th degree child abuse was filed...ie: the paper work. The “bad” cop was a “bad cop” but his superiors at the time would have known about the filed charges. There was no cover up. I suspect cops everywhere are flooded with the same issues with boys from 10 to 15 having “done things” that they would never dream of doing as they matured and learned self control. 80 per cent of all males would have to be put in jail or put on registries if the truth were really were out on the matter(and quite a bit of the girls as well) based on what we are calling abuse now a days.
I was always a strong defender of the Duggars and their wholesome lifestyle! So don’t lump ME in with Duggar haters. I agree that it is unfortunate the victims have to be dragged through this. Have you read the police report? Which was not created until after someone contacted Oprah right before the Duggars were to be aired on her show and the producers contacted the police? Oprah, who has plenty of nutcases on her show. The case could not be prosecuted because the statute of limitstions ran out. Molestation is NOT just a “family matter.” It is a crime and happened multiple times with multiple victims aged 4 to 10. Is there something in your past that makes you want to defend it so vehemently?
Was the child abuse paperwork filed by the trooper? I don’t believe it was. I believe the only official investigation took place after the Oprah show contacted the police.
Oh here’s another person dismissing child molestation. THE GUY WAS 14 YEARS OLD. IN SOCIETY, 14 YEAR OLD ARE REGULARLY CHARGED AS ADULTS IN MANY CASES. THESE WERE YOUNG GIRLS HE MOLESTED. Some people on this site are deeply misguided because they are blinded by admiration for this famous family that claims to be christian.
If a STRANGER had come into the house multiple times and fondled the breasts and genitals of sleeping little girls it would be considered criminal. How can it be worse for a stranger to do it than an older brother whose responsibility is to CHERISH and PROTECT his little sisters?
“we live here in this world judged by law.. man’s law... Go peddle your theocracy down the road.”
As much as you wish it, I’m not planning on going anywhere else. And you are confused. There is rule by law and rule by man. If it is rule by man’s law, then you may not realize what you advocating, but it is tyrannical rule by man. The moral authority of any legal system is derived from God’s moral laws revealed in nature and revealed in the Bible. Our nation was founded on adherence to natural law and recognized that marriage and the family are a pillar of civilization. Our legal system was designed to allow people of faith to form communities around commonly shared beliefs while uniting a nation around views commonly shared by all of the various religious groups — views like freedom from religious oppression by the government, and having a strong national security. Without God’s moral law you have either tyrants imposing their own morality or you have mob rule.
You can call advocating the morality of the Bible a “theocracy” by way of insult if you want, but there was a day when the rule by man you advocate would have landed you in severe legal consequences for what you admitted you have done. The same rule by man you are advocating is currently, today, in the nation we live in, trying to make sex acts far more destructive and deviant than what happened in this matter to be legal, accepted, and promoted by the education system and media. These are the people you are siding with against a family that is a model of conservatism and faith. When what this boy becomes legal, acceptable, and even promoted by our government, what law do you plan to appeal to then? And what “consequences” will you advocate then?
And why do you dislike this family? You have described it already in your contempt for people who supposedly peddle their morality. Are you only offended at a boy molesting his sisters? Or are you also offended they advocate sex only after marriage? Seems like this moral standard offends you like it does the left.
“adults with girlfriends don’t [have consequences].”
According to God they do:
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
I can tell you why I personally don’t much like the Duggars. It’s because they’re not the mainstream Christians they’re made out to be-—they’re cultists.
Christians aren’t brainwashed into wearing their hair a certain way. They don’t force their daughters to wear skirts when they ride a bike because putting on a pair of jeans is evil.
The family has always given off a creepy vibe to me, including Michelle with her saucer eyes and her baby voice.
You know, it’s interesting to read the counseling material given to sex abusers by the Gothard cult. It centers mostly around the so-called responsibility of the abused in causing the abuse to happen....for example, not dressing modestly enough and causing the male to be tempted.
Also listed as a “temptation” for males is changing a female infant’s diaper. Now digest that for a second. Does it sound like Christianity to you, or Islam?
I’d love to know what responsibility the five-year old had to cop to, when Josh felt her up underneath her skirt while he was reading her a book.
“Have you only had monogamous sexual relations to a woman you were married to your whole life? If not, doesn’t that make you an adulterer deserving the same fate as you wish on this man?”
I’m sure you are an upstanding citizen, but you sound like you are making excuses for pedophiles and the coverup. When you have 4(or more) of our children raped by one of your own older son, and the parents are involved in a coverup, that family is f-ked up beyond redemption. Sorry that you salivate over their superficial “family values”. I’ll take a non-pedophile athiest commie family over a pedophile “pro-life and capitalist” family.
Read the facts, no one was raped. He was 14 and fondled these girls. Where in the Hell did rape come in????
See this is what happens when you don’t read the reports and listen to 2nd and 3rd hand gossip.
Really beyond the pale. Reporting abuse. There is no justification whatsoever for that.
He only fondled the girls, some as young as 5 years old. But they perhaps tempted the poor boy. And multiple times. The parents covered it up, but what would a parent to do when faced with such a tragedy. Sure, no rape was involved, which would have crossed the line and might have required a firmer reaction.
“Molestation is NOT just a ‘family matter.’ It is a crime and happened multiple times with multiple victims aged 4 to 10. Is there something in your past that makes you want to defend it so vehemently?”
Perhaps there is something in the past or present in your own home that you don’t even know about. Maybe you would respond differently if it was your own family.
I’m not “defending” these actions. I’m saying they appear to have been dealt with as they should have been.
Those who advocate prison, sex offender registry for the son, jail for the parents for not reporting the crime, death penalty, being raped in prison, and going to hell, all have a serious problem with the reality of the day we are living in. If we lived in the day when the Puritans burned witches and homosexuality was a capital offense, you might be able to justify the severe legal penalties being advocated (but even then not getting butt raped in prison).
I know first hand that what happened in this family is commonplace across this nation. If you or an immediate family member has not been involved in something similar to this then you are the exception not the rule. And I also think it is likely that it has happened and you are just oblivious to what has happened in your own home. I have talked to so many people over the years I have become friends with and found that when they felt comfortable talking about these things on a personal level, it comes out that someone did something similar to them as a child. And these are mostly people who grew up with no cell phones, no Internet, no constant promotion of sexual deviancy in the media. I am aware of much worse going on across the nation from elementary age and up. There is going to have to be a better solution that trying to throw every offender in jail. And definitely a better solution than the left who seeks to decriminalize this behavior and worse.
The left want to shut down this show and punish this family, not because of the incestuous assault which the left approves of and which I have proved.
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