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Midway: Extraordinary Leadership and Brave Men
self | June 4, 2015 | Self

Posted on 06/04/2015 8:49:14 AM PDT by Retain Mike

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For us Navt veterans, Midway is probably as memorable as D-Day is for the Army.
1 posted on 06/04/2015 8:49:15 AM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Retain Mike

“...The dry-dock, repair shops, and tank farm were intact. The carriers, their escorts, and the submarines stood ready to take the offensive...”

And right there you see, even through the Havoc that Japanese naval air assets DID create, the mistake that they made.

There’s an amazing book that was published some years ago - “Descent into Darkness” - that details the salavage divers and their efforts to refloat and repair the battleships. Oklahoma was pulled right-side up by those same facilities that were not destroyed.

Worth the read if you can find it.

Also, breaking their codes and being able to read the Japs’ mail helped big time.


2 posted on 06/04/2015 8:55:31 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Retain Mike

We really should have tried to understand the Japanese and offer them jobs...


3 posted on 06/04/2015 9:03:58 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Retain Mike

My dad was just an infant at the time, so I was still many years from being born. But for some reason, the Pacific war … especially this battle … has always garnered my attention.

Thanks for posting this detailed article.


4 posted on 06/04/2015 9:08:27 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Retain Mike

Yes, thanks to you for posting your well written essay.


5 posted on 06/04/2015 9:20:30 AM PDT by broken_clock ( Cruz back to the future!)
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To: Retain Mike
Just for fun, I posted this on FR many years ago and it has made the rounds: If Today's Media Reported the Battle of Midway.
6 posted on 06/04/2015 9:36:50 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Retain Mike
Thank you for posting this, especially on this day. I never get tired of reading about Midway.

I know that hindsight is 20/20, but it always amazes me how poorly thought-out the Japanese plan of attack was. Imagine if they had sent their second-string carriers (Junyo, Ryujo, Zuiho, and Hosho) against Midway Island, while keeping their primary fleet carriers (Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, and if they had delayed another month, Shokaku and Zuikaku) a little bit apart, tasked solely with dealing with the American carriers, whenever they showed themselves. If they had done this, I honestly can't think of how they could have lost this battle.

And while it wasn't particularly funny for us at the time, it seems almost comical to me how we kept on bombing the battleship Haruna, yet could never hit the little sucker.

I noticed that Shattered Sword was not listed among your references. If you haven't already read it, I highly recommend it. Next to Incredible Victory, it is without a doubt the best Midway book I've ever read.
7 posted on 06/04/2015 9:37:28 AM PDT by bus man (Loose Lips Sink Ships)
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Edwin T. Layton’s biography ‘And I Was There’ is a must read for background info on Pearl Harbor and Midway. In addition to intelligence information, Layton lays out the Naval bureaucratic infighting that got Joe Rochefort transferred to a dry dock command on the West Coast after his brilliant work predicting the Japanese attack on Midway (the worst sin is being right in the eyes of bureaucrats). Layton’s book shook things up to the extent that Rochefort finally got the official recognition he deserved, albeit in the 1980s.


8 posted on 06/04/2015 9:55:09 AM PDT by Stevenc131
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Also, breaking their codes and being able to read the Japs’ mail helped big time.

I look at it as simply giving us something of a fighting chance. The Japanese had a vastly superior force, both numerically and qualitatively. In such a match up, good intel doesn't usually matter.

Remember that we did not win because of the element of surprise. Hours passed without a single hit on the Japanese. We won because brave men continued to press the attack into the jaws of death, from which few of their compatriots were returning.

It is said that the Japanese were overconfident. I don't think so. They had every right to be very confident and expectant of victory. They destroyed most everything that came at them. Japanese aircraft and flyers were world class. But the Americans chose to fight to the death to stop the Japanese, and that shear tenacity was enough to force an opening and deliver victory.

In the annals of warfare, Midway is not a matter of the lucky arrow, but of the inexplicably tenacious warriors.

9 posted on 06/04/2015 9:56:32 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Retain Mike

Victor Davis Hanson, “Carnage and Culture: Landmark Battles in the Rise to Western Power”

Has a very good chapter on the Battle of Midway.


10 posted on 06/04/2015 9:59:13 AM PDT by onedoug
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Midway turned the war in the Pacific. After this decisive battle, it was island-hopping and a terrible terrible grind to August 1945. But the strength of the Japanese Imperial Navy was broken and they never recovered. Hats off to the brave men who fought this battle, especially to the many who did not return.


11 posted on 06/04/2015 10:02:15 AM PDT by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty)
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Yamamoto believed that Japan only had about 6 months of victories before the U. S. could fully respond. They believed they had a brief period to force the U. S. to sue for peace.

Yamamoto was dead on with his prediction. After Midway, Japan was basically on the defensive.

12 posted on 06/04/2015 10:05:34 AM PDT by Know et al (Keep on Freepin'!!!)
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When I was a kid we had the nicest church member, just a sweet heart guy, when he died it was reported he was on those island hoping battles, including Okinawa. Those guys did their job, came back home and went to work and making families and communities the greatness they were in the 50s and 60s.
13 posted on 06/04/2015 10:29:18 AM PDT by Jolla
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To: Retain Mike; stevie_d_64

bttt


14 posted on 06/04/2015 11:12:25 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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The United States should celebrate Midway as England celebrates Trafalgar.
15 posted on 06/04/2015 11:17:11 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. Vox Populi Vox Dei)
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“...We won because brave men continued to press the attack into the jaws of death, from which few of their compatriots were returning....”

True that. On Dad’s side Two of my uncles were Pacific Marines, one was Army. One of Dad’s cousins, 22 years old Marine, never left Iwo Jima. Mom’s side had a Marine there as well.

Dad was Airborne in Europe, fighting the other maniacs.

Our family was well-represented there.


16 posted on 06/04/2015 12:17:16 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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“...In the annals of warfare, Midway is not a matter of the lucky arrow, but of the inexplicably tenacious warriors. ...”

The image of dive bomber pilot Earl Gallaher, looking over his should and saying into the mic “Arizona, I Remember You!” as he watched his bomb explode on Kaga... That is indeed American, Tenacious, and courageous.

THAT’S our People... and always will be.

God bless them.


17 posted on 06/04/2015 12:22:10 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Stevenc131
Yep, I've read his book and it on my shelf. I wasn't paying attention, so now I have two copies of Joe Rochefort’s War by Elliot Carlson
18 posted on 06/04/2015 5:06:14 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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Shattered Sword is on my to do list. This is an essay I post annually and every year I find something new in my sources. Great idea about use of those Japaese carriers.


19 posted on 06/04/2015 5:11:55 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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I have that book, but just haven’t gotten around to reading it.


20 posted on 06/04/2015 5:14:01 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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