Posted on 06/18/2015 12:51:59 PM PDT by concernedcitizen76
The drugs actually can be the primary cause. Simply because they are not the proper ones for the ailment. You can take an Average Joe or Jill having trouble sleeping, having mild depression, having mild anxiety, want to stop smoking, and they through an adverse reaction caused by the medications triggering a digestive chemical migration from stomach to the brain and it have the same effect in their brain as LSD. I saw it happen to a person I knew very well and not one doctor in six could diagnose it.
Now granted the onset of what I'm speaking of is usually fairly fast happening most of the time over a period of hours or a few days. Look up Serotonin Syndrome. It involves antidepressants usually ones which can be prescribed to help loose weight, stop smoking, treat anxiety or depression etc.
Many symptoms of what people call mental disorders such as Anxiety and Depression very often aren't and have a neurological or physical ailment causing it and it doesn't get diagnosed but instead gets treated with an improper medication for that ailment.
An example I know first hand is Inner Ear {Vestibular and Sensory Processing Disorders} can trigger symptoms anxiety as a secondary condition. Older doctors the older now retired General Practitioners would give the patient a script for Valium or similar to treat the symptoms and treat the underlying cause {the infection or find reason for the damage}. Used to most people knew an Inner Ear infection would about drive someone nuts.
Worse is the fact due to a lot of misinformation and media hyped fear even within the medical community involving medications like Xanax, Valium, Atavian, etc which are far more feared and restricted than Antidepressants being prescribed without second thought. You will not get a Serotonin migration from Benzo's actually they are the protocol antidote treatment to stop Serotonin Syndrome. A Benzo can be given in a doctors office and the patients reaction seen in minutes. Antidepressants take several weeks to reach therapeutic levels in the bloodstream. In those several weeks the doctor may have a 5 minute observation of the patient.
Safe use of antidepressants require the doctor, patient, and patients family, ALL understanding the symptoms of adverse reactions so they can be stopped fast. Many antidepressants are in the bloodstream for weeks instead of hours. Thus the triggered adverse reaction may go on for a week or more. Something as simple as taking Zoloft and then a few months later catching a cold and taking an OTC cold medication can trigger this also. This isn't Tin Foil junk science it's been proven many times.
I am diagnosed with General Anxiety Disorder. At about 8 they said I had ADD ADHD. I'm 57 now BTW. I've had G.A.D. over 20 years. My sensory auditory and partially my optical processing system is shot. Initially I went on Xanax 2MG twice a day 21 years ago. Then the doctor decided Xanax was too dangerous and started me on antidepressants instead. Then the symptoms got worse as did my mental state in general. That went on for two years. I had headaches, stomach issues, anxiety increased as did sensitivities to triggers to my anxiety such as noises. All were early warnings that the Serotonin in my body was becoming off balanced. I didn't know that then though.
I finally did some research and found out that Anxiety Disorders, Depression, and even the ADD ADHD symptoms I had dealt with since early childhood was caused due to Vestibular Damage. Vestibular is Inner Ear Cerebellar/Vestibular which is where the Inner Ear and portion of the brain responsible for interpretation of the Inner Ear is damaged often due to ear infections allergies etc. Finally a doctor who knew what he was seeing and treating put me on a half a mg of Xanax four times a day. Something the so called experts warn can not work long term. While it's not a cure it allows me to function somewhat like do the shopping etc. I'm a risk to no one LOL. I'm a 20 year user of it and will be a life long user of it. So what I am saying is you can not treat this disorder with protocol antidepressants as it can produce and/or trigger psychotic symptoms mistaken for mental illness.
More to the point I saw my wife develop Serotonin Syndrome from taking Zoloft and Trazodone prescribed by a Shrink. She had PTSD, clinical depression, and anxiety, as well as severe neurological damage resulting in her quadriplegia. Yeah one would expect her to have some depression and anxiety right? Her character changed literally in hours out of the blue several months into using antidepressants. The doctors were so darn certain she was psychotic from severe mental illness that they didn't bother with doing a basic PDR search of her medications for known adverse reactions. They didn't do it but I did. It nearly killed her. I showed the attending doctor {not our primary care doctor who wasn't allowed to treat her or have any say due to hospital privileges rules} the alert article. His prompt response was that's all pure rubbish. He saw the title and didn't read the article. I told him to read the authors name and position to me and then read the article. It was the Pharmacology Professor at the university hospital he worked for. He backed down fast. The MRI told the rest of the story.
Serotonin belongs mainly in the stomach and promotes digestion. When it migrates into the brain it is a very potent chemical that can induce psychotic symptoms the person most likely is unaware of. Why? Because they are hallucinating.
On one end of the spectrum there are antidepressants being passed out without proper education to patients and families because most doctors never see the adverse reaction. On the other end of the spectrum you have patients that by the nature of their very real mental illness do not take their medications.
It is past time we and the courts hold the psychiatrists and the drug companies accountable for each of these instances. Psychiatrists to prison as an accessory. Drug companies CEO’s etc to prison for marketing the drugs that induce these killings. FDA hierarchy to prison for letting these drugs be on the market.
And all hat is just for starters!
Your story is interesting and gives much to consider. You seem to suggest that doctors now look for a pharmaceutical remedy for every ailment and that the drug is often worse than the original disease, both of which assertions I agree with. Especially when it comes to children.
My wife was living in her final days of life a couple months ago. I'd step out of ICU for a walk in the hospital halls every few hours. Several nights around 8:00-9:00pm when I was down in the lobby I saw our doctor fixing to leave for the day. Oh and he would be there next morning at 6:00am to do his morning rounds before seeing patients in his office. He was not one of the doctors in what happened. The Serotonin Syndrome happened 12 years ago under other doctors. I would hate to have his work load and hours. It would take a dedication above and beyond IMO.
There is a problem of doctors keeping up with changed discoveries from new research especially in supposed mental health related issues. ADHD ADD was around when I was a kid in the 1960's. I was one of the very few diagnosed as having it in my school. I didn't discover until about 1996 that I didn't have it at all. I have C.A.P.D. aka Central Auditory Processing Disorders. The symptoms mimic ADD ADHD but you can not treat a CAPD patient with ADD ADHD medications. CAPD is life long and is usually auditory and often optical processing damage. Thus a lack of concentration and some cognitive issues such as Anxiety and even Dyslexic symptoms.
The medication treatment for CAPD? Usually treating the primary cause such as chronic ear infections, sinus allergies, chronic tonsil inflammations etc. Ritalin is of no use. An antihistamine works much better.
Inner Ear disorders is most likely the number one culprit in adult anxiety disorders and the most misdiagnosed as being something else. They can be temporary or permanent. In my case the worse case scenario of damage took place as I grew older. The damage reached a point to where I began having Myoclonic Seizures /jerks/spasms/ in my upper torso at about age 36 when hearing certain sounds or experiencing certain auditory stimulation. I've been disabled since 1994.
Xanax controls the seizure for me and tones down my senses to a functional level. Over time learned some tricks to coping with it. Many go against the so called text book treatment. For example I avoid what triggers me if possible or limit exposure and it works. Now can you imagine what medications enhancing the neuro transmitters to my damaged processor would do? Like demanding a 64 MB RAM 1200MHZ processor to the same simultaneous functions of a 4GB 4MHZ processor. A crash will happen. Crash meaning seizures possibly, the dreaded brain fog where am I and how did I get here experience many with anxiety disorder complain about. Now both processors I mention can do the task given them with the same end result but one can not handle the task bombardment if you understand what I'm saying. Plus the potential for a Serotonin Migration would be there.
This is newer research. It's came from Vestibular Disorders research not mental health research. As such it has less pharmaceutical industry bias. Audiologist to not prescribe pills.
If I had a kid showing ADD ADHD symptoms I would take them to an Audiologist and a Speech Pathologist for CAPD Testing. I would also see an Occupational Therapist for eye coordination testing. I would if necessary give them a No DOZ caffeine pill as well when their behavior became ADD ADHD like and see if it changed their behavior for the better. If it does then ADD ADHD is more likely if not then CAPD is more likely especially if the childs medical history points toward damaging things like I mentioned.
The ADD ADHD epidemic is more likely a CAPD epidemic caused simply by an increase in technology placing much greater auditory and optical demands on persons damaged sensory processing system which in previous generations simply was not there and thus less symptoms showed up.
The classroom adaption is simple. Place the kid at the front of the room facing the teacher so the kid can read lips as well as hear. They have to be able to do both to understand what is being said in a classroom. Eliminate as many distractions as possible such as the group table classrooms we see today. Limit time at home on video games and TV shows where for example the cartoons are almost strobing. Learn a kids attention span and work within it rather than trying to fight it. When it is up have them doing something else productive or recreational but educational. Look at the childs shoes. See if they wear to one side and wear out fast say in less than a month or two due to breaking over. That points to eye/muscle coordination and the kid is waking off balance. I spent two years in Occupational Therapy in 7th and 8th grade. Watch the kid swing at a baseball. If consistent delayed swing, early swing, or ducking away from the ball is an issue after a few days I would say hey OK there again is an eye to muscle coordination issue. Simple things really.
I was in a special education school for two years of my grade school and got help. It bought me a few years time including a Navy enlistment and working till about age 36. I had classmates with every thing you could likely name including severe mental problems for a few. Many more were partially deaf, partially blind, Polio, CP, MD, you name it. One school of about 250 students served a six county area and all kids got help. A decade later Mainstreaming began to put kids who could be helped into a venue of daycare.
Getting back to medications you go up to a Shrink and say hey I think my anxiety is caused by my hearing and he likely will ignore you and go the antidepressant protocol for chemical and phobic causes. He likely never even heard of it because most Shrinks are still using 1950's research. The only change for their practice is newer medications.
Nope. But your need to poison the well tells us about your confidence in your facts. So now that we both agree you’re wrong you discussion over.
One in five children in America are administered psychiatric drugs. In some cases, children as young as three are on Ritalin. These are facts. Take a look at the work of Dr. Laurence Wilson in this area and the extensive bibliography he offers if you’re interested in learning more about the link of psychiatrics to horrific violence. Government public schools receive more money for cases of ADHD. Diagnosed cases of ADHD have soared geometrically. How surprising. The FDA is a federal bureaucracy. Like the IRS, the FDA isn’t politicized. lol Pharmaceutical companies comprise the top contributors to influential members of Congress, their parties, and theit PACs. Another big surprise. The schools, the pill makers, and the pill pushers are raking in enormous sums from this racket.
As I already pointed out these are VASTLY different drugs than the anti-psychotics the guys in your list were on. Prescribed to a different type of person, for a different type of fix, to a different type of problem. You’re in apples and chickens land if your rant against anti-psychotics turns into a rant against ritalin.
It is ethically and medically reprehensible to pump psychiatric medicaments into millions of young American, children who are just being children, without apparent concern for what this may be doing to their development of body and mind. Apparently, this does not bother you. I can only assume you have a vested interest in the statis quo.
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Again, apples and chicken. That has NOTHING to do with why spree killers are on anti-psychotics.
I never said it didn’t bother me. I pointed out it’s not part of this discussion. You might as well bring up the weather, it’s a completely separate topic.
If you won’t discuss the actual issue be a man and admit you’re wrong.
Surely, you jest, So far you have not made your case or, indeed, any case. I see no facts or attributions to back what you say. I’ve offered further resources on this subject in our discussion. For example, Dr. Laurence Wilson and his extensive bibliography.
Actually I did make my case. We expect the people on anti-psychotic medication to be insane, therefore when they do insane things it shouldn’t be a surprise or blamed on the medication. Anybody that knows anything about psychiatric medication knows finding the right dosage and the right combination is a drawn out process, it often lasts their entire life. This is because you’re trying to fight genetic tendencies with chemical which is upstream swimming at the best of times, and they’ve learned the body fights back. Some people’s biochemistry just really wants to be jacked up. Then you have the natural human tendency of deciding they feel better so they stop taking their medicine. You see this most with anti-biotics but it’s just as true with psychiatric meds. So yes some people under treatment will still go out of control, which doesn’t mean the treatment is invalid, it just means that some people will always find a crack to slip through.
Meanwhile, none of that has anything to do with ADHD and ritalin.
Obviously, you are in this business, and I stress business. This is a pill pushing racket. If you’re prescribing psychotropic drugs to children who are just being children, beware the legal consequences down the road. It could come back to bite you.
Already said no. But of course when the facts and logic don’t back you that leaves only fallacies. So you try to poison the well, effectively admitting you don’t know anything about the subject.
Have a nice day sometime.
I asked if you were in the pharmaceutical industry. The pill pushing business is bigger than that.
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